Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 changes / Kaiten removal

[FireMage]

With my 6 month sub all but 3 days from expiring I simply had to log in to the game so I could come back to the forums to laugh at Vencio.

After all the trash talk you threw towards people across all the SAM change posts and even going so far as to post an appreciation thread to SE for making said changes . . . and then you come here again and have the absolute audacity to pretend as if you\\'ve seen the light because SE is gonna ruin PLD next.

What a gift SE has given us.

I hope they utterly destroy what you loved about PLD.

What is it you used to do at the end of your posts? Oh yes that\\'s right . . .

-Grins & sips elegant Elezen Wine-

PLD being made to fit 2min is a good thing

Reading, can you do it for me?

[Vencio]

With my 6 month sub all but 3 days from expiring I simply had to log in to the game so I could come back to the forums to laugh at Vencio.

After all the trash talk you threw towards people across all the SAM change posts and even going so far as to post an appreciation thread to SE for making said changes . . . and then you come here again and have the absolute audacity to pretend as if you've seen the light because SE is gonna ruin PLD next.

What a gift SE has given us.

I hope they utterly destroy what you loved about PLD.

What is it you used to do at the end of your posts? Oh yes that's right . . .

-Grins & sips elegant Elezen Wine-

- Sips Elegant Elezen Wine -

Nevermind this gentleman,

He already dismissed himself out.

PS: No need to raise further hostility

[FireMage]

He already dismissed himself out.

Imagine thinking this

[CelestiCer]

Another one, another video DX ! by Kougaon, Samura's Kaiten - " 5 Terrible FFXIV Jobs That'll Make You Hate Yourself "

[Vencio]

Another one, another video DX ! by Kougaon, Samura's Kaiten - " 5 Terrible FFXIV Jobs That'll Make You Hate Yourself "

Are you “Kougan” himself?

[Tetsujin]

Is it back? Any news about Kaiten?

[Ransu]

Is it back? Any news about Kaiten?

Its likely never coming back.

[ty_taurus]

Edit: Accidentally posted prematurely.

I'll add some perspective from someone who doesn't main nor really plays SAM, but levels every job and has at least a surface-level understanding of the jobs I don't play. So take my feedback with a grain of salt. Having leveled SAM in the past, and having leveled it after Kaiten's removal, I can't really speak to how much influence this action really had one me, but managing the kenki gauge doesn't really feel intuitive. I kinda just forget to use Shinten and then feel pressured to dump it. In the past, it felt a little more structured to manage effectively, and the need for consistent use of Kaiten helped keep the gauge feeling like it had a natural flow.

Having said that, I can understand and sympathize with feeling like Kaiten is restricting future development of SAM in future expansions. It makes sense why they might see Kaiten as problematic, and removing it may allow them to breath stronger gameplay elements into SAM in the future. What I don't understand and cannot rationalize is if Kaiten is a problem for the future, why cull it now and not when you actually cross that bridge and expand SAM's toolkit come 7.0? What is the benefit from cutting things prematurely when you can just wait until you're going to release these new tools that don't function well with Kaiten to actually remove it?

I won't say 7.0 SAM will objectively be better than Kaiten SAM. We have no way of knowing if it will be or not, but I just don't understand why the non-problematic Kaiten now couldn't just wait for those changes. That said, whatever we do get, I think the biggest thing that feels off with SAM's gameplay is the lack of intuitive engagement with its kenki gauge, so hopefully whatever replaces Kaiten in the future will fill that void. Perhaps it will, or perhaps it won't.

[Melethron123]

they should just keep removed actions as "roleplay actions", that make your character do the animation without any actual effect

that way SAM mains could still keep their button and be happy

[RyuuZero]

they should just keep removed actions as "roleplay actions", that make your character do the animation without any actual effect

that way SAM mains could still keep their button and be happy

that's something I've read at the Patch Day of 6.1, which was really cute ^^