Please add damage meters, Yoshi P.

[FireMage]

Yet here you are replying to me. Ive spoken to answering machines that make more sense than you ever do.

I'm just informing you of your place. You should be grateful

[VelKallor]

I'm just informing you of your place. You should be grateful

My place? Its in Australia. Need me to show you where it is on a map?

[Bobby66]

I understand the stance of, not wanting to add something that would increase overall harassment. I willing to agree that if a tool was official then just by virtue of it being more readily available cases of abuse will raise. I have always wondered and wish we could get the metrics regarding GM reports in WoW pre hyper prevalence of parsing verse post what is the overall general percentage of actionable and non actionable reports in relation to player count. While, I have no means to prove it I still stand by my stance that overall positive or at the very least neutral encounters regarding parsing far outweigh the negative ones. Just the perception or stimga around the negative encounters shines through especially the more horrendous cases that involve stalking, harassment, mass black listing / reporting.

I do understand SE likes to take a throw the kitchen sink out approach to harassment, look at feast chat removal. They do have what appears to be a zero tolerance policy. I just for the life of me do not understand how people with a straight face can say it is not worth having a meter for all players not just PC players because it will be abused by players. If someone wants to pull meters in lowbie content report and move on. Sure we may get that one player flexing on other classes that do nor have AoE in lowbie content, but I really doubt it will be that large of an issue. Though if you are saying one time is far too many then fair.

[Aravell]

I know bashing FireMage is the favoured pastime here on the official forums, but he did raise a valid point earlier, why do parts of the community allow (or actively encourage) people that refuse to contribute when queueing up for a team activity? Now, I'm not talking about the sprouts, or the newbies, or the "bads", I'm talking about those who refuse to contribute at all.

Why is it wrong to call out the RPR who's standing in the corner and facing the wall in an alliance raid until the boss is dead? Why is it bad to ask the SMN what they're doing when they're on /follow until they die and then they release to the start of the entrance? Why is it a problem to call out the SAM that gets angry because someone else accidentally killed them and then refuses to take any raise?

When will the community response to these actions stop being "Just carry them lmao" and become "Don't waste our time, leecher"?

[Ivtrix]

I know bashing FireMage is the favoured pastime here on the official forums, but he did raise a valid point earlier, why do parts of the community allow (or actively encourage) people that refuse to contribute when queueing up for a team activity? Now, I'm not talking about the sprouts, or the newbies, or the "bads", I'm talking about those who refuse to contribute at all.

Why is it wrong to call out the RPR who's standing in the corner and facing the wall in an alliance raid until the boss is dead? Why is it bad to ask the SMN what they're doing when they're on /follow until they die and then they release to the start of the entrance? Why is it a problem to call out the SAM that gets angry because someone else accidentally killed them and then refuses to take any raise?

When will the community response to these actions stop being "Just carry them lmao" and become "Don't waste our time, leecher"?

The community should never condone active leeching. None of the listed activities are ok, and I would push for these members to be removed from the group were I to notice it.

A damage meter literally does not solve this issue.

[FireMage]

The community should never condone active leeching. None of the listed activities are ok, and I would push for these members to be removed from the group were I to notice it.

A damage meter literally does not solve this issue.

Active leeching is a lot more than what was described

[Magikazam]

The community should never condone active leeching. None of the listed activities are ok, and I would push for these members to be removed from the group were I to notice it.

A damage meter literally does not solve this issue.

it does not solve the issues, but it let you see them more easily. Sure is more easy to notice someone deal no damage with a dps bar than just checking behind me if one of the other 24 players is a SAM hiding behind the magical dps.

[Ivtrix]

it does not solve the issues, but it let you see them more easily. Sure is more easy to notice someone deal no damage with a dps bar than just checking behind me if one of the other 24 players is a SAM hiding behind the magical dps.

A single player parser as suggested in here would not solve this issue.

I’m inclined to disagree, you’d have to size the window large enough to view all 24 members, easy enough to do with an unofficial parser with a fair bit of customizational liberty allowed to you but in a hypothetical where an official parser that tracked all members was implemented I cannot imagine how ghastly it would look with the current UI customizations. You’re just better off doing what you actually should be doing, looking at the raid.

[Magikazam]

A single player parser as suggested in here would not solve this issue.

I’m inclined to disagree, you’d have to size the window large enough to view all 24 members, easy enough to do with an unofficial parser with a fair bit of customizational liberty allowed to you but in a hypothetical where an official parser that tracked all members was implemented I cannot imagine how ghastly it would look with the current UI customizations. You’re just better off doing what you actually should be doing, looking at the raid.

They could just make it so you only see the 8 people in your alliance. the other 2 will look for their own members

[KeshLives]

The community should never condone active leeching. None of the listed activities are ok, and I would push for these members to be removed from the group were I to notice it.

A damage meter literally does not solve this issue.

Exactly. A damage meter or parser is not even relevant to discussions of leeching/non-participation, because those cases are obvious. I helped kick someone the other day in a dungeon who was stealthily going to the corner once the boss fight(s) started. That's not 'bads'. That's lazy/leech behavior, and we don't need damage meters to deal with it. I'm all for getting rid of obvious AFKers in the fight.

I still hold that the way it is now, is fine. If someone truly wants it 'for personal use' it's available, but anyone who thinks that if damage meters were built into the game, that they wouldn't be misused in the worst way, by the worst people, they're very much guilty of wishful thinking.