Fighting Desperately...

[Tibian]

...with an ever-growing urge to just return to FFXI, get a much-needed nostalgia fix, and play all the jobs I used to love from Lv1 solo. This, just before I log out of MMORPG's for the last time. /melodrama.

There is a dedicated FFXI official forum you know. Perhaps this would be best posted there.

FFXIV, to me, just keeps becoming more restrictive, blurred, and just down-right not fun.

This is mind blowing. Your entire post is about how FFXI is a "man's game" and how it was full of "challenges" and "difficulty." All FFXI ever was and still is, was just a giant time sink of masochistic restriction after masochistic restriction. To say FFXIV is RESTRICTIVE is a great dishonor to the game. The game has become increasingly LESS restrictive (which is a GOOD thing). Any class can participate in any content, and you have a wide range of areas and options to level up, which is soon to increase even more with Hamlet defense. XI was nothing but restrictive and full of giant wastes of time. To see you calling XIV "restrictive" is just calling yourself a huge hypocrite, especially if you're lauding XI as exciting or fun.

I actually think I had more fun with the battle system as it was near release than the way it stands today.

I have no words for this. You probably don't deserve to post on the forums if you think this system was fun, exciting, innovative, or any praiseworthy words. I am just floored by this statement. Quite possibly the most obscene thing I have ever read on these forums.

SE has gone overboard with Easy Mode in the form of Combos - with bright flashing circles that scream, "Click me to not suck"!! And I have every reason to believe it's just going to get worse.

If you follow these combos with a mage everytime, you will suck. Just because they are highlighted doesn't mean it is the appropriate action to use. You clearly don't know how to play if you don't understand this. The combos themselves are lack luster however, which is something I will agree with.

I don't want what FFXIV is now and what is apparently going to grow up to be: Beyond Casual - A slacker's game made for slackers. It's really heartbreaking to think of all this game could have been, but I suppose it just makes better sense to milk the cow and market the milk.

You're ignorant if you cannot see that this game has both casual and "hardcore" content. God forbid SE actually wants us to have fun in this, rather than punishment after punishment ala XI.

World of Warcraft, may you rot and burn in Hell.

Yes, god forbid WoW for RAISING people's MMO standards to where "fun, exciting, and challenging," actually meant "fun, exciting, and challenging," all while keeping a wide variety of players happy and content.

[Peptaru]

I disagree and i'ma flame the OP.

The thread is to the point of people just reminiscing and you need to be a jackass? I'm sorry you didn't like XI, but you shouldn't be able to defend XIV as it stands now. Maybe after 2.0. Its fine to disagree with someone's thoughts, but all you did was attack and name call without being provoked in the slightest. If you got called out, insulted, ignored, or ANYTHING then I could see your attitude, but you weren't. If you are just lookin to start an arguement in here that you could already find elsewhere, then my apologies, feel free to make yourself look like a jerk. If all XI is was masochism then gtfo and leave us sadists to remember the times fondly.

Edit: PS; I believe you meant XI was sadistic and we the players were masochistic. I just remarked sadist to conform to your description of XI.

[Tibian]

The thread is to the point of people just reminiscing and you need to be a jackass? I'm sorry you didn't like XI, but you shouldn't be able to defend XIV as it stands now. Maybe after 2.0. Its fine to disagree with someone's thoughts, but all you did was attack and name call without being provoked in the slightest. If you got called out, insulted, ignored, or ANYTHING then I could see your attitude, but you weren't. If you are just lookin to start an arguement in here that you could already find elsewhere, then my apologies, feel free to make yourself look like a jerk. If all XI is was masochism then gtfo and leave us sadists to remember the times fondly.

Edit: PS; I believe you meant XI was sadistic and we the players were masochistic. I just remarked sadist to conform to your description of XI.

The purpose of my post is to voice an opposing side to XI loyalists. I do not want to see XI's masochistic tendencies in 2.0 at all, even in the slightest form.

The OP is clearly deluded by his or her nostalgia for XI and claims XIV is bad because it isn't taking the antiquated concepts from XI and implementing them.

It is also very RARE that you see any of my posts defending XIV, because I in fact think the game is still in a very sour state and will continue to be until 2.0. With that being said, the current state of XIV is by far, more enjoyable to me than XI ever was due to its non-masochistic concepts.

Did XI do some correct things? Certainly, but the OP does not mention those concepts and instead focuses on what I consider the worst part of XI -- the mind numbing, persistent, body aching grind of time and monotony, and then wants to see it directly in XIV. So yes, I will be loud, critical, and very adamant against most of what the OP has to say in hopes that the CR team does see that people (such as myself) dislike 70% or more of what XI stood for and do not think that implemented XI mechanics are a good idea.

[Xoo]

The OP is clearly deluded by his or her nostalgia for XI and claims XIV is bad because it isn't taking the antiquated concepts from XI and implementing them.

It is also very RARE that you see any of my posts defending XIV, because I in fact think the game is still in a very sour state and will continue to be until 2.0. With that being said, the current state of XIV is by far, more enjoyable to me than XI ever was due to its non-masochistic concepts.

Did XI do some correct things? Certainly, but the OP does not mention those concepts and instead focuses on what I consider the worst part of XI -- the mind numbing, persistent, body aching grind of time and monotony, and then wants to see it directly in XIV. So yes, I will be loud, critical, and very adamant against most of what the OP has to say in hopes that the CR team does see that people (such as myself) dislike 70% or more of what XI stood for and do not think that implemented XI mechanics is a good idea.

Good gameplay is antiquated? Man, if that ain't the truth. You say XIV is "still in a very sour state", yet you play it, and then have the audacity to come down on those 'FFXI masochists'? Hah. Hey, if WoW was such a great game, go back to it? Apparently both XIV and XI aren't up to your high standards... lol.

How am I to point out things you favored in a game you say you didn't even like? Your last paragraph begins with nonsense, immediately followed by blatant lies (I never mentioned grinding at all - you just threw that in there for some generic XI bashing), only to end up pulling random, imaginary people and a large percentage of their imaginary opinion out of thin air to support your claims.

I appreciate your attempt, but honestly Tibian, you make a very poor case for your argument.

[Tibian]

Good gameplay is antiquated?
Man, if that ain't the truth. You say XIV is "still in a very sour state", yet you play it, and then have the audacity to come down on those 'FFXI masochists'?

Unbeknownst to you, I was not registered when subscriptions went into play because I did not think the game was fit to play. The only reason why I am subscribed right now is because I wanted to leave the server I was on for a more English populated server, my decision has been a very good one.

Hah. Hey, if WoW was such a great game, go back to it? Apparently both XIV and XI aren't up to your high standards... lol.

I am concurrently subscribed to WoW. After this patch and mergers I have enjoyed XIV to the point where I may still stay subscribed. 2.0 has much promise, and the development of XIV has certainly been a miraculous turn of events as far as "failed MMOs" come. I am willing to give games second chances if they improve, XIV certainly has.

How am I to point out things you favored in a game you say you didn't even like?

You don't have to. You pointed out the things I have no desire to see in XIV, so I voiced my opinions against yours.

only to end up pulling random, imaginary people and a large percentage of their imaginary opinion out of thin air to support his claims.

Please learn to read sufficiently.
I'll requote just to give you another chance.

So yes, I will be loud, critical, and very adamant against most of what the OP has to say in hopes that the CR team does see that people (such as myself) dislike 70% or more of what XI stood for and do not think that implemented XI mechanics is a good idea.

No where did I mention a false percentage of "people." 70% is what I attribute to the majority of the game that I think is garbage. I did not state anything about a false percentage of "people".

[Xoo]

Yes, god forbid WoW for RAISING people's MMO standards to where "fun, exciting, and challenging," actually meant "fun, exciting, and challenging," all while keeping a wide variety of players happy and content.

You were on a roll, Tibian, and then you had to go and do this. You know, I'm sure somewhere there's a WoW forum where this comment would be better suited; A place where my eyes would never have to read such horrid blasphemy.

And, it's okay Peptaru, he's only responding to my opinions as if they were facts that he must vehemently defend.

[JakeRoon]

You were on a roll, Tibian, and then you had to go and do this. You know, I'm sure somewhere there's a WoW forum where this comment would be better suited; A place where my eyes would never have to read such horrid blasphemy.

And, it's okay Peptaru, he's only responding to my opinions as if they were facts that he must vehemently defend.

He is correct (although I am ashamed to admit it).
WoW has set the current bar for mos, it must be fun, exciting and challenging or so many ppl would not be playing it. It has smashed every other mmo ever in existence for subscribers think.

*shakes head is disgust* and all with horrible scooby doo graphics too.