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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    e they would rather have the top 100 rewards and deal with the wintraders
    They cannot deal with them. Only ones that have gotten dealt with were the most obvious wintraders that even then took months to get removed and the ones that have put even 1 thought into it to not be obvious about it do it every season without any problems
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  2. #152
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    NO, it is not worth it having it earlier than others vs it being unique to you and those who qualified. I'll happily admit being selfish on this point, but "you were able to obtain it much earlier" is the equivalent of someone saying "mom said it's my turn at the controller now" after some time passed.

    Top 100 or any form of leaderboard rewards cannot be compared to Ultimate or Savage rewards as Ranked is a competition with a clear definition of having winners and losers, not a challenge you can grind away on. They are Trophies showcasing performance per season.

    I am more than welcome to ideas for it to be re-obtainable, assuming the difficulty of obtaining them is equivalent to the original method. Frankly speaking, if you want high-end PvP rewards, you need to play high-end PvP.

    I'll happily take a restructuring of how Ranked PvP rewards are currently organised, as the current one is paltry as f***. Tiers (Crystal, Diamond, Platinum, Gold, Silver, Bronze) need a unique ranked-only reward, like a ranked-only currency (Trophy Crystals failed on that as they are obtainable outside of it) and the scaling of Top X can be expanded depending on the amount of participants in Crystal tier, with 100 being the minimum.
    According to you logic of "it's my turn on the controller now" you would lose your top 100 mount if someone else got it. That's not the case. You however do not care about the actual reward, you only care about others not having whatever it is. I think that's kinda sad.
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  3. #153
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    I'm just not into full glam sets being locked behind competitive or high-end content. Weapons, titles, minions, mounts, adventure plate junk and singular tiny glam pieces? Sure. But full glam sets being locked in such a way is lame for a casual shitter like me whose end game is dressing up my character.

    But eh, it's not a huge deal either way, but there's a reason why most high end content and massive grinds in the game AT MOST reward you with a singular glam piece, not a whole set.
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    They really messed up with the rewards, either keep making new top 100 rewards or make the old buyable once you place in top 100 once or something. The current system is plain bad with nothing worthwhile to play towards.
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  5. #155
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    According to you logic of "it's my turn on the controller now" you would lose your top 100 mount if someone else got it. That's not the case. You however do not care about the actual reward, you only care about others not having whatever it is. I think that's kinda sad.
    I'll grant you, my logic isn't perfect. Sooner it would be asking for the exact same World Cup trophy of 20XX to be remade for public sale, with 100% attention to detail, then maybe the logic would fit.

    However you are dead wrong assuming that I care about others simply not having what I have, as I said this:
    I am more than welcome to ideas for it to be re-obtainable, assuming the difficulty of obtaining them is equivalent to the original method.
    I am okay with others obtaining what I have. I am not ok with something as easy as Moogle tomestones to be the way to obtain it.
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  6. #156
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaCa View Post
    They really messed up with the rewards, either keep making new top 100 rewards or make the old buyable once you place in top 100 once or something. The current system is plain bad with nothing worthwhile to play towards.
    Agreed, I'm fine with either at this point, rather than nothing at all.
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  7. #157
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    I'll grant you, my logic isn't perfect. Sooner it would be asking for the exact same World Cup trophy of 20XX to be remade for public sale, with 100% attention to detail, then maybe the logic would fit.

    However you are dead wrong assuming that I care about others simply not having what I have, as I said this:

    I am okay with others obtaining what I have. I am not ok with something as easy as Moogle tomestones to be the way to obtain it.
    I am not wrong about anything. The key part you care about is others not having it. Enforcing it a different (but equally difficulty way) doesnt change that.

    All in all achievements only matter because we believe they do. The world cup trophy is only an achievement in the hands of the winners, everyone else holding it is just holding a pretty statue. The achievement itself transcends any representation of it.
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  8. #158
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    I am not wrong about anything. The key part you care about is others not having it. Enforcing it a different (but equally difficulty way) doesnt change that.

    All in all achievements only matter because we believe they do. The world cup trophy is only an achievement in the hands of the winners, everyone else holding it is just holding a pretty statue. The achievement itself transcends any representation of it.
    First of all - don't put words in my or anyone's mouth claiming I/we care about something that I/we clearly don't. That is your own headspace thinking this way.

    Since you aren't getting the hint, let me spoonfeed it for you:

    I am 100% OK with people having access to the 20 seasonal rewards of various kind to the public
    BUT
    I am asking for similar difficulty to obtain it to preserve the integrity that is the actual achievement behind those rewards by keeping them as hallmarks of good players.

    I am NOT OK with a veteran skilled pvp player and a moogle tomestone / Trophy crystal grinder side by side and you couldn't tell the difference between who actually earned their reward in their way.
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  9. #159
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    Agreed, I'm fine with either at this point, rather than nothing at all.
    Yeah that is also my point, even with win traders and ahit having something ia better then nothing. The few high end friends I have also share the same mindset. I think people put too much stock into cheaters and stuff sure they suck but not giving top end players something to push for is silly imo. Cheaters will cheat catch the ones you can but do not throw the whole reward system out because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    Okay boomer.

  10. #160
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    Yeah that is also my point, even with win traders and ahit having something ia better then nothing. The few high end friends I have also share the same mindset. I think people put too much stock into cheaters and stuff sure they suck but not giving top end players something to push for is silly imo. Cheaters will cheat catch the ones you can but do not throw the whole reward system out because of it.
    Exactly my thought. It actually.blows my mind how this is somehow controversial and people would sooner see it rot than seeing it live.
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