Please add damage meters, Yoshi P.

[Zebraoracle]

Where did I make a big deal of it though?
Where did I demonize it? Like legitimately are you paying attention?

For the what, 3rd time? I said make them legal in Savage and Ultimate but keep it away from the rest of the game. If I was really demonizing it I wouldn't advocate for it in the game at all. Is this really so bad?

It was because you, like so many others, brought up how people would use parsers to harass people. Like, sure they *CAN*, but like you and a ton of other people seem to be forgetting, the TOS isn't going to suddenly change to allow this behavior, and blaming this behavior on the tool rather than an asshole who is going to find a way to be an asshole regardless of parse legality is mindboggling. The scarlet letter throwing on a damage parser makes no sense when a parse tool being legal or not isn't going to suddenly make someone choose to be or not to be a dick. There are plenty of means of this already, why is *this* one suddenly the one that's too much, even though it has objective benefits?

Hell, I probably even agree that anything below extremes probably doesn't need a parser.

[IkaraGreydancer]

It was because you, like so many others, brought up how people would use parsers to harass people. Like, sure they *CAN*, but like you and a ton of other people seem to be forgetting, the TOS isn't going to suddenly change to allow this behavior, and blaming this behavior on the tool rather than an asshole who is going to find a way to be an asshole regardless of parse legality is mindboggling. The scarlet letter throwing on a damage parser makes no sense when a parse tool being legal or not isn't going to suddenly make someone choose to be or not to be a dick. There are plenty of means of this already, why is *this* one suddenly the one that's too much, even though it has objective benefits?

Hell, I probably even agree that anything below extremes probably doesn't need a parser.

Kick features have objective benefits. Party finders have objective benefits. What's the difference? Parsers are against ToS as of now. The others aren't. I'm not blaming a tool, I'm pointing out a means people use to be toxic. Keep that method away from everyone and that method is used far less. Kicking and PFs can be used by anyone. Parsers right now are PC only. I don't believe any of this is unreasonable. Yes we can report bad actors but its possible SE would rather not open that particular door to all players in the first place. I can see the logic there.

As an example ive dealt with. I played BDO for a short time and was enjoying myself until chat eventually started to fill with talk of slavery, hard ers and more racist stuff like that everyday. Sure I can report these people but it made me not want to return to the game or associate with it. Maybe SE wants to avoid having folks leave for reasons akin to that. Idk

[Bobby66]

An official parse would give more control to groups to not only learn but police their groups and enforce standards shared by the group.

Sure more people using it may increase hard abuse but it seems more like people are afraid of their own based perception of abuse. They kicked me from the group because my damage was too low for them.

How is that abuse of the tool? If we are being fair even if we highball every encounter I doubt many can say removing someone from a group that does not pass the vibe check is wrong or toxic. What ia toxic is how they say or go about it. The tool has very little to do with how someone would address another person.

[Delis]

Call me when Console players can use ACT or any 3rd Party Tool. Many of yall seem to forget they exist

They can use the benefits of ACT though. ACT is useful because of the logs it creates that gets uploaded. You then go through the log and see where you made mistakes etc. You have someone in your static upload or if you are in a PF more than likely someone in that group is going to be uploading once the fight is over. No need to have ACT running yourself as the dps number you see do nothing for you. You can't hit a magic button and boom increase your dps, if you glance over and see you are down in dps. Most people using ACT will glance at it here and there, but for the most part its running and getting ignored during the fight. It's after the fight when the log has been uploaded and you can go through the log and see what your GCD uptime is, if you missed any OGCDs if you are clipping gcds, breaking combos, hitting the wrong button etc. We all make small mistakes with out realizing it, and looking through the logs can help you identify what mistakes you are making regularly so you can work on them. You can also compare your logs against someone else on your job that is parsing higher so you can see if maybe they are using a different opener or holding OGCDs somewhere or tweaking the rotation. Again having ACT on your computer doesn't help you that much, until you start looking through the logs which console players can, unless they do not have a computer, or a phone, so I guess they can go to the public library to use a computer. But just because they are on console doesn't mean they can't use the benefit of ACT.

[Rolder50]

Call me when Console players can use ACT or any 3rd Party Tool. Many of yall seem to forget they exist

That's why the original post is titled "Please add damage meters yoshi p"

And besides, console players can still share in all the benefits of ACT by simply being in a group with someone else who is logging.

[Liam_Harper]

I just do not get it, ToS has rules in place that already meant to punish such behavior, yet for some reason it seems people want it to be proactive which punishes people that would use it legitimately because person X will use it to harass. Who are we to say person x would not harass someone anyways without it.

They don't care about fact.

Some players are obsessed with the image of all raiders being toxic, elitist, rude players who kick innocent sprouts from leveling dungeons for missing a GCD and set impossibly high requirements on every single group in PF. It doesn't matter if you point out the ToS, it doesn't matter if PF is full of Practice parties, it doesn't matter if some of us have pugged Savage or even played WoW for years and never seen a kick for low dps in our lives, it doesn't matter if raiders write guides, offer to help and are friendly. They want raiders to fit that image and they'll cling to it relentlessly. They'll take any bad apples as concrete proof even if it's 1% of the overall raid community.

Why? Jealously. They simply hate other players achieving things and doing well while they struggle. Even if those other players are modest and don't brag, they hate that they even exist. So it's much easier to paint them as toxic and elitist and evil, then they're in the right and it's bad to be a raider.

The whole reason the ToS exists is to protect the feelings of people who want to live in a bubble. It exists so bad players can continue to live in an illusion that they contribute to their groups and are morally the correct ones. The reason for this is they're immature. If the devs don't cater to them they'll rage and throw tantrums and likely quit. While the players who want to do their best will grumble on the forums and present feedback, but in the end deal with it and keep going. It's easier to treat us worse.

[SassyAssassin]

Call me when Console players can use ACT or any 3rd Party Tool. Many of yall seem to forget they exist

Ill give you a call right now because I AM a console player AND EVEN I can find my parsing uploaded by others riiiiiiiight here:
https://www.fflogs.com/character/eu/...laq#metric=hps

[Deceptus]

Call me when Console players can use ACT or any 3rd Party Tool. Many of yall seem to forget they exist

Again, if it meters were enabled in game you wouldn't NEED a 3rd party tool to access your performance.

It would be in game.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Ill give you a call right now because I AM a console player AND EVEN I can find my parsing uploaded by others riiiiiiiight here:
https://www.fflogs.com/character/eu/...laq#metric=hps

Hmmm I did say using ACT did I not? Is it possible to run ACT on a Playstation? No it isn't. So you being able to see something after the fact isn't the same as seeing it in real time.

Also Deceptus you're missing the point of what I'm saying. It isnt currently available. They said those who want use 3rd party tools to be toxic already do so I pointed out console players can't due to the lack of said tools. Your point makes no sense

[SassyAssassin]

Hmmm I did say using ACT did I not? Is it possible to run ACT on a Playstation? No it isn't. So you being able to see something after the fact isn't the same as seeing it in real time.

Also Deceptus you're missing the point of what I'm saying. It isnt currently available. They said those who want use 3rd party tools to be toxic already do so I pointed out console players can't due to the lack of said tools. Your point makes no sense

We literally have a chat bar dedicated that logs your dps and healing, I don’t see what would be so impossible to implement. They don’t need to make it real time, they can show you after each duty finished like the pvp logs or after each duty failed.