Please add damage meters, Yoshi P.

[Midareyukki]

Also sure people CAN kick who they want for whatever reason they deem worthy, just don't be shocked when people call you toxic for it when it's due to a parse number. (Especially in content where that number doesn't really matter). I'll say again to my knowledge console players don't have a means to parse information.

You're missing the point.

We all know this. No one is disputing it.

People are just not making a big deal out of it like you have been.

They're acknowledging it can happen and that it sucks but that there's more to it than toxicity. You're the only one who seems to demonize it for its potential bad applications :x

You sure you're not blowing it out of proportion?

[IkaraGreydancer]

You're missing the point.

We all know this. No one is disputing it.

People are just not making a big deal out of it like you have been.

They're acknowledging it can happen and that it sucks but that there's more to it than toxicity. You're the only one who seems to demonize it for its potential bad applications :x

You sure you're not blowing it out of proportion?

Where did I make a big deal of it though?
Where did I demonize it? Like legitimately are you paying attention?

For the what, 3rd time? I said make them legal in Savage and Ultimate but keep it away from the rest of the game. If I was really demonizing it I wouldn't advocate for it in the game at all. Is this really so bad?

[Zebraoracle]

Where did I make a big deal of it though?
Where did I demonize it? Like legitimately are you paying attention?

For the what, 3rd time? I said make them legal in Savage and Ultimate but keep it away from the rest of the game. If I was really demonizing it I wouldn't advocate for it in the game at all. Is this really so bad?

It was because you, like so many others, brought up how people would use parsers to harass people. Like, sure they *CAN*, but like you and a ton of other people seem to be forgetting, the TOS isn't going to suddenly change to allow this behavior, and blaming this behavior on the tool rather than an asshole who is going to find a way to be an asshole regardless of parse legality is mindboggling. The scarlet letter throwing on a damage parser makes no sense when a parse tool being legal or not isn't going to suddenly make someone choose to be or not to be a dick. There are plenty of means of this already, why is *this* one suddenly the one that's too much, even though it has objective benefits?

Hell, I probably even agree that anything below extremes probably doesn't need a parser.

[IkaraGreydancer]

It was because you, like so many others, brought up how people would use parsers to harass people. Like, sure they *CAN*, but like you and a ton of other people seem to be forgetting, the TOS isn't going to suddenly change to allow this behavior, and blaming this behavior on the tool rather than an asshole who is going to find a way to be an asshole regardless of parse legality is mindboggling. The scarlet letter throwing on a damage parser makes no sense when a parse tool being legal or not isn't going to suddenly make someone choose to be or not to be a dick. There are plenty of means of this already, why is *this* one suddenly the one that's too much, even though it has objective benefits?

Hell, I probably even agree that anything below extremes probably doesn't need a parser.

Kick features have objective benefits. Party finders have objective benefits. What's the difference? Parsers are against ToS as of now. The others aren't. I'm not blaming a tool, I'm pointing out a means people use to be toxic. Keep that method away from everyone and that method is used far less. Kicking and PFs can be used by anyone. Parsers right now are PC only. I don't believe any of this is unreasonable. Yes we can report bad actors but its possible SE would rather not open that particular door to all players in the first place. I can see the logic there.

As an example ive dealt with. I played BDO for a short time and was enjoying myself until chat eventually started to fill with talk of slavery, hard ers and more racist stuff like that everyday. Sure I can report these people but it made me not want to return to the game or associate with it. Maybe SE wants to avoid having folks leave for reasons akin to that. Idk