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  1. #3641
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    Not that you guys aren't right but uhh...I think the past 3 pages or so belong more in the Hroth and Viera complaint megathreat than here lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

  2. #3642
    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Not that you guys aren't right but uhh...I think the past 3 pages or so belong more in the Hroth and Viera complaint megathreat than here lol
    I mean º3º

    true ; ;
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  3. #3643
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    That's not a mark of good story-writing. It just makes me feel like the authors are insecure about their own work.
    Story is king! That is what I always hear from my teachers when it comes to creative work. A good story lets the aspects that are smaller, like lore, be bad and forgiven by the audience. A bad story won't.
    A good example of this is Bozja. Most people can agree that the Bozjan story was a mess of ideas with little narrative coherence. Important bits were hidden under logs that you had to go out of your way to find. It shifted focus between characters and their importance, an example being the blades which were supposed to be the big elite unit with whom you would work to win this war, but later were treated as plot devices for Misija to begin her villain arc and in the end, they got enthralled by the Queen and turned into monsters.
    If this was the only story they did I guess it would have turned out better, working together with these soldiers that are almost as strong as you and become your comrades in arms. Having each quest be a mission with them, learn more about why and who are they fighting for and get a better grasp on them. Doing that only to lose them to an Eikon's influence, a thing you yourself are immune. Up until that point you have fought alongside them, that you completely forgot their weakness to the Primals, only to have an instant realisation of just how much danger they are in, unable to save them, you see your friends be turned into beasts that you have to put down, their being corrupted and twisted that they aren't even recognisable anymore. Their names would have meant something and those fights would have been more heavier for our WOL. Not to say that we would also have a much bigger reason to want to take Misija and the imperials down for what they did, and the plot would move nicely into wanting to find a cure so no one has to share your late comrade's fate.
    But that is what could have been, instead, we spend little time with them, learn next to nothing from the story and then are supposed to feel anything while they are being enthralled. The story shifts focus from what's important to the bunny with a sugar rush and the Au'Ra crushing on Cid.
    By doing this SE accentuated the bad story as an incomplete mess that in the end was a misconception by some fake/lazy scholars. But you know what we could have done? ASK THE HROTHGAR FROM THE RESISTANCE! The easiest way to dump lore on a person is by having 2 characters talk. Using my idea from above, our WOL could have talked to one of the blades who might have been a scholar who learned about the old days and would have told us more about it.
    Lore is easy, the easiest thing ever. If you would allow me a food metaphor: The story is the cupcake, the characters are the icing and the lore is the Sprinkles. They can add some flavour but if the story is not good then neither the characters nor the lore would save it.
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  4. #3644
    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pip_Chick View Post
    Story is king!
    I wrote the answer to this in another thread.

    Felt more appropriate there. Since it pertains to Hrothgar AND Viera lore and how it's handled.

    So. Yeah. Here's hoping better content with and for Hrothgals.
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  5. #3645
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    Being in 2023 and having the fan fest approaching. The one in June is the closest. Do you think we might see them then or would we have to wait for 8.0?
    Since it is rather weird that they went into total silence about the subject of female Hrothgar after the live letter from January 2022.
    They already confirmed them, so saying nothing about their progress is rather strange since we all know that they are coming.

    They did say that they have settled on 2 designs for them so if that is the case, why not show it? Why not show 1 of the designs as concept art? This will help people visualise them better as well as temper our expectations.
    I can understand that a concept art of them would not be as impactful as a trailer, but then they could just add a masked NPC that would represent them, kind of how Yugiri was added. This way we would at least get a grasp of their height and body.

    Or if I could have a small indulgence. Then make the male Hrothgar the centre of the next Valentione. And put the female Hrothgar on the art banner for the event with their face concealed. The whole thing might be around helping the Male Hrothgar ask the female Hrothgar on a date, him messing up a lot until he is genuine and asks her outright. But to keep the "OwO, No spoilers" around the female Hrothgar, every time the WOL would be around she would have "Just left" or "I couldn't find her" and even when we see her, from the place we are spying, somehow a random object would be placed in such a fashion that we would conveniently not see her. I think that might be a funny and cute scenario.

    And would give us our first Male Hrothgar NPC for an event. Come on SE, the bun boys have 2 and they have been released for only 1 year while Male Hrothgar have none!
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  6. #3646
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    I'm fairly certain they're reserving Hrothgals for a fanfest, the question being which one - the US one, because they're the loudest audience, or the JP one for being the most modest.

    On one hand, male Hroths were revealed in the latter because they knew how much of a riot the western playerbase would've made at showing burly catmen instead of bunny boys, but this time there's no such controversy so Hrothgals, the "new race," should be front and center to generate hype....

    On the other hand, Hrothgars, as a race, have been treated like the unwanted child so I wouldn't be surprised if they're presented as little more than a footnote in the character graphic updates panel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

  7. #3647
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    The more time I spend speculating WHEN the reveal will be, the worse the wait becomes.
    Personally I say just wait, it will happen when it happens.
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    I think they will be shown at US fanfest. Considering they usually save the job reveals for EU/JP. But who knows with how everything has been latley. like Zan is stating it will happen when it does but we do have official confirmation they are coming just a matter of when.
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    You have my support!

    AND my AXE!
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  10. #3650
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    I'm fairly certain they're reserving Hrothgals for a fanfest, the question being which one - the US one, because they're the loudest audience, or the JP one for being the most modest.
    NA always gets the barest bones of announcements since we go first ;-;
    if I had to guess
    NA -> xpac name, raid titlecard, 24 man raid titlecard, concept art for locals, tshirt hint for new job #1
    EU -> hrothgals, 2 locales revealed, job #1 reveal, tshirt hint for new job #2
    JP -> full trailer, full locales preview, 2nd job reveal
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