Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Let's be honest, it's just an excuse to not write the lore until it's absolutely necessary, even though simply throwing a bone would be better than nothing.

Honestly, if the Hrothgar do see some more developed Lore with the inclusion of the Female Counterparts, Im all for it.
Sure, I can side with and be utterly freaking annoyed with how the Hrothgar lore has been handled thus far, but if we could see some more love their way with them as a 'Complete Race' then Id be fine with that.
The Lions havent gotten alot of love. And it would be a shame if come 7.0 they dont finally see it.

No Shade, but unlike the Viera crowd, we have been patient and 'mostly' trusting on the team to deliver later.
If our silence isnt rewarded, then it just proves and gives validation that being a pain is the only way to see results.
And I DONT want that to be the lesson learned after 4 years

[Midareyukki]

Honestly, if the Hrothgar do see some more developed Lore with the inclusion of the Female Counterparts, Im all for it.
Sure, I can side with and be utterly freaking annoyed with how the Hrothgar lore has been handled thus far, but if we could see some more love their way with them as a 'Complete Race' then Id be fine with that.
The Lions havent gotten alot of love. And it would be a shame if come 7.0 they dont finally see it.

No Shade, but unlike the Viera crowd, we have been patient and 'mostly' trusting on the team to deliver later.
If our silence isnt rewarded, then it just proves and gives validation that being a pain is the only way to see results.
And I DONT want that to be the lesson learned after 4 years

Before anyone chimes in with snark because you said that...

Yes, Hrothgars have been pretty quiet and patient.
When have you heard Hrothgars collectively say anything before the hairstyle fiasco?
The only reason you're hearing from us now is specifically because crap happened and our patience reached a limit.
Zanarkand is right.

Now... in comparison to Viera, at least Hrothgar lore is a bit more comprehensive than theirs since we get to explore snippets of Bozja and its past. For whatever that's worth. Because yes, while on one hand what we got was just rubble, fire and violence, there was a bit more characterisation there than Viera ever got. That shouldn't be dismissed.

However, this is a Final Fantasy game.

This is an MMORPG with dense worldbuilding.

They should take their world more seriously and explore it with more fairness.

I stuck with FF14 because it reminded me of FF12 with the way the world was dense before. I do take the lore seriously, and I like doing it. If this game is going to make fun of its own aspects, the aspects I enjoy, then I don't have an incentive to find any investment in it. That's not a mark of good story-writing. It just makes me feel like the authors are insecure about their own work.

[Pip_Chick]

That's not a mark of good story-writing. It just makes me feel like the authors are insecure about their own work.

Story is king! That is what I always hear from my teachers when it comes to creative work. A good story lets the aspects that are smaller, like lore, be bad and forgiven by the audience. A bad story won't.
A good example of this is Bozja. Most people can agree that the Bozjan story was a mess of ideas with little narrative coherence. Important bits were hidden under logs that you had to go out of your way to find. It shifted focus between characters and their importance, an example being the blades which were supposed to be the big elite unit with whom you would work to win this war, but later were treated as plot devices for Misija to begin her villain arc and in the end, they got enthralled by the Queen and turned into monsters.
If this was the only story they did I guess it would have turned out better, working together with these soldiers that are almost as strong as you and become your comrades in arms. Having each quest be a mission with them, learn more about why and who are they fighting for and get a better grasp on them. Doing that only to lose them to an Eikon's influence, a thing you yourself are immune. Up until that point you have fought alongside them, that you completely forgot their weakness to the Primals, only to have an instant realisation of just how much danger they are in, unable to save them, you see your friends be turned into beasts that you have to put down, their being corrupted and twisted that they aren't even recognisable anymore. Their names would have meant something and those fights would have been more heavier for our WOL. Not to say that we would also have a much bigger reason to want to take Misija and the imperials down for what they did, and the plot would move nicely into wanting to find a cure so no one has to share your late comrade's fate.
But that is what could have been, instead, we spend little time with them, learn next to nothing from the story and then are supposed to feel anything while they are being enthralled. The story shifts focus from what's important to the bunny with a sugar rush and the Au'Ra crushing on Cid.
By doing this SE accentuated the bad story as an incomplete mess that in the end was a misconception by some fake/lazy scholars. But you know what we could have done? ASK THE HROTHGAR FROM THE RESISTANCE! The easiest way to dump lore on a person is by having 2 characters talk. Using my idea from above, our WOL could have talked to one of the blades who might have been a scholar who learned about the old days and would have told us more about it.
Lore is easy, the easiest thing ever. If you would allow me a food metaphor: The story is the cupcake, the characters are the icing and the lore is the Sprinkles. They can add some flavour but if the story is not good then neither the characters nor the lore would save it.

[Midareyukki]

Story is king!

I wrote the answer to this in another thread.

Felt more appropriate there. Since it pertains to Hrothgar AND Viera lore and how it's handled.

So. Yeah. Here's hoping better content with and for Hrothgals.

[Pip_Chick]

Being in 2023 and having the fan fest approaching. The one in June is the closest. Do you think we might see them then or would we have to wait for 8.0?
Since it is rather weird that they went into total silence about the subject of female Hrothgar after the live letter from January 2022.
They already confirmed them, so saying nothing about their progress is rather strange since we all know that they are coming.

They did say that they have settled on 2 designs for them so if that is the case, why not show it? Why not show 1 of the designs as concept art? This will help people visualise them better as well as temper our expectations.
I can understand that a concept art of them would not be as impactful as a trailer, but then they could just add a masked NPC that would represent them, kind of how Yugiri was added. This way we would at least get a grasp of their height and body.

Or if I could have a small indulgence. Then make the male Hrothgar the centre of the next Valentione. And put the female Hrothgar on the art banner for the event with their face concealed. The whole thing might be around helping the Male Hrothgar ask the female Hrothgar on a date, him messing up a lot until he is genuine and asks her outright. But to keep the "OwO, No spoilers" around the female Hrothgar, every time the WOL would be around she would have "Just left" or "I couldn't find her" and even when we see her, from the place we are spying, somehow a random object would be placed in such a fashion that we would conveniently not see her. I think that might be a funny and cute scenario.

And would give us our first Male Hrothgar NPC for an event. Come on SE, the bun boys have 2 and they have been released for only 1 year while Male Hrothgar have none!