Playing an expansion as current content has been a lacklustre MMO experience

[raelgun]

So go a play game that fits what you want, and stop trying to change the rest.

Shows how much of a new player you are to the game, Ive been playing FF14 since 1.0 and WoW since WOTLK.

Let me tell you something ironic about the this sentence from you, FF14 during 2.0 and 3.0 was closer to wow designs then now, the current FF14 we have is due to people wanting change.

Let that sink in, if you like the current FF14, this was due to people asking for change, some bad, some good. from a PVE POV, defo bad, the PVE battle content is weak and unvaried, nothing holds you on for long term.

FF14 did actually copy wow, its still in its DNA whether you like it or not, FF14 2.0 design intent actually had Yoshi P instructing the devs to actually play WoW and see what made it work and implement it in the game.

[Striker44]

Shows how much of a new player you are to the game, Ive been playing FF14 since 1.0 and WoW since WOTLK.

Let me tell you something ironic about the this sentence from you, FF14 during 2.0 and 3.0 was closer to wow designs then now, the current FF14 we have is due to people wanting change.

Let that sink in, if you like the current FF14, this was due to people asking for change, some bad, some good. from a PVE POV, defo bad, the PVE battle content is weak and unvaried, nothing holds you on for long term.

FF14 did actually copy wow, its still in its DNA whether you like it or not, FF14 2.0 design intent actually had Yoshi P instructing the devs to actually play WoW and see what made it work and implement it in the game.

So, as someone who's actually been playing FFXIV since ARR (2015) and WoW since Vanilla, I can amusingly say you just made a complete fool of yourself. FFXIV did indeed take ideas from WoW - I never said it didn't (way to put words in someone's mouth as a way to admit you have no argument.) What FFXIV "took" from WoW was things like the method of gearing using tomestones and "badges" (like the old Justice/Valor from the WotLK era), which allowed players to choose their gear and steadily grow in power rather than be subject purely to RNG. WoW has collapsed in significant part because it moved away from that system to one that relies on RNG, and then coupled it with going all-in on the ultra-toxic crowd that loves things like M+ dungeons.

I love that FFXIV borrowed the ideas from WoW that actually worked and made the game designed for a more casual, relaxed playerbase. I'm not sure why you're telling me to "let something sink in" that I already know and enjoy. FFXIV has its audience now, which only continues to grow. It's one of the few MMO's left that actually has a large playerbase and is focused first and foremost on the more considerate, relaxed audience. There's other MMO's out there for people who want a different experience. If the only comments someone can make about a game are entirely negative, I ask again - why are they here? There are other games that already fit what some people want - go play them. But stop trying to change a game hundreds of thousands of other people enjoy just because it doesn't suit your tastes.

[strawberrycake]

I also love all Souls games and I can comfortably criticize those too. Nobody safe out here.

This is the Best Quote of all time for me. THIS IS HOW I SEE GAMING AS A WHOLE FAM

[raelgun]

But stop trying to change a game hundreds of thousands of other people enjoy just because it doesn't suit your tastes.

Interesting you say this, because changes have been made that affected said hundred of thousands of players by asking for change, for someone playing as long as you said, you should know this already.

This includes changes to not your taste, so we can agree changes can be made right?

What you are trying to do is stem and shut down any ask for suggestions and change, because they don't suit your taste.

[R041]

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Because critical feedback isn't inherently a fully positive experience, so it's going to feel negative and frustrating to someone that is defensive. This goes for all discussion we have here, to you, to me, to Yoshi-P. But we have to power through it and try to turn it into a discussion and not gatekeep.

A lot of people can't handle criticism, because they take it as an attack on their person or the thing that they love. Even I have trouble with it and I try to do better.

So telling anyone with feedback that they hate the game and they should leave is ultimately non-constructive and hurts us as a whole that enjoy this amazing game.

I've talked about what I love, I've talked about what I hate.

You want to hear a good example of how both XIV and WoW fail in the same system but different ways?

• XIV is good at showing what mobs you can interrupt but does not provide enough fun opportunities for it.
• WoW has a lot of fun opportunities, but does a bad job of showing them. Often feels like tribal knowledge.

I think both games can be great by providing opportunity and visualizing them in better ways. Maybe the mob itself should glow, considering they're both tab-targeting so tabbing around to find the culprit can feel awful.

I also absolutely hate WoW's swirly damage auras. They need to learn from XIV that vague samey colored auras on samey colored floors is terrible for user experience.
Where XIV often has a ton of great visual feedback, but most of it barely matters unless you're doing min ilvl.

Sometimes it feels like WoW is starting to learn from the market and XIV, while XIV has somehow stopped watching the market after Stormblood. Like they're falling into the same problem that created 1.0, not playing other games, not listening.

[raelgun]

People as a whole who play xiv just need to be honest and admit they hate change. And that's Valid. Too bad MMOs are an iterative experience and will change.

I would actually say, FF14 has become so RP and ERP heavy that people don't want it to change from that, they are desperate to keep this their validation of perversion.

People also love the TOS and how they wrongfully arm it against those that just want play well, lets not be in denial about the vermin playerbase that infested this game heavily after 3.0 - the RPers and ERPers.

[VentVanitas]

But stop trying to change a game hundreds of thousands of other people enjoy just because it doesn't suit your tastes.

For the love of god Striker. In almost every thread related to XIV criticism that you happen to show up in, you say this exact shit and appeal to some vague undefined majority. Sorry, but you only speak for yourself and you have no way of telling how many of those "hundreds of thousands of people" are accepting, adverse or ambiguous to change.

[Axxion]

So, as someone who's actually been playing FFXIV since ARR (2015) and WoW since Vanilla, I can amusingly say you just made a complete fool of yourself. FFXIV did indeed take ideas from WoW - I never said it didn't (way to put words in someone's mouth as a way to admit you have no argument.) What FFXIV "took" from WoW was things like the method of gearing using tomestones and "badges" (like the old Justice/Valor from the WotLK era), which allowed players to choose their gear and steadily grow in power rather than be subject purely to RNG. WoW has collapsed in significant part because it moved away from that system to one that relies on RNG, and then coupled it with going all-in on the ultra-toxic crowd that loves things like M+ dungeons.

I love that FFXIV borrowed the ideas from WoW that actually worked and made the game designed for a more casual, relaxed playerbase. I'm not sure why you're telling me to "let something sink in" that I already know and enjoy. FFXIV has its audience now, which only continues to grow. It's one of the few MMO's left that actually has a large playerbase and is focused first and foremost on the more considerate, relaxed audience. There's other MMO's out there for people who want a different experience. If the only comments someone can make about a game are entirely negative, I ask again - why are they here? There are other games that already fit what some people want - go play them. But stop trying to change a game hundreds of thousands of other people enjoy just because it doesn't suit your tastes.

i feel like you are getting 1.0 and 2.0 confused

For the love of god Striker. In almost every thread related to XIV criticism that you happen to show up in, you say this exact shit and appeal to some vague undefined majority. Sorry, but you only speak for yourself and you have no way of telling how many of those "hundreds of thousands of people" are accepting, adverse or ambiguous to change.

You can say they have to strike when the getting is good

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I agree, so maybe stop saying NO to everyone that has feedback on how we should evolve. You're not a bad dude, but you gatekeep quite a bit..



Then they should hate XIV, because XIV changes formula every expansion. The only thing they keep is how terrible MSQ systems are, which if anything is the one thing they need to change.

We must be playing pretty different games then, because the formula has been pretty static for about 8 years now. And I said change for changes sake, not "no change at all"


Sure there have been some tweaks, but no change just to change things.

[raelgun]

We must be playing pretty different games then, because the formula has been pretty static for about 8 years now. And I said change for changes sake, not "no change at all"


Sure there have been some tweaks, but no change just to change things.

Eh, you mean like they reduced the amount of dungeons they would release per patch so they can 'add' more things, like diadem?

Do you call that a tweak?