2min Cooldowns: The Dungeon Experience

[Havenchild]

Idk in my experience, I always have 2min cds or at least one burst option for each mob pull. Im also smart enough to hold some skills and not burst down the boss at 15 to 20% HP, which will usually drain in 10 to 15 ish seconds. If you wall to wall pull (which should be happening), this is not a problem worth mentioning.

[DixieBellOCE]

If you are struggling with damage in casual dungeon content then its not the game.

Dungeon mobs have such low HP that you barely get off a full rotation before they die, and if they are taking forever, then either one or both of the DPS are terrible and need to learn their job a bit better.

[Shurrikhan]

This times 1000. Are we seriously writing a paragraphs-long rant about burst windows in regular dungeons? I rarely like the phrase "first-world problems", but wow...

Dw, it eventually runs the gamut all the way to "world-first problems" somehow exported to casual content.



That said...

...the OP isn't talking about lacking the tools to deal with content or things taking longer now. She's talking about the game now appearing less interconnected, less varied, and (at least relative to the prior CD timings on what she'd typically run) less well-suited to the spans of continuous combat than it used to be.

Elements of what she liked to do before (such as in reacting to longer raid CDs with her shorter ones -- even if that was probably typically poor practice) and/or holding CDs of different rhythms for their sync (again, typically poor practice, but /shrug), or just being able to get two major burst cycles out on a given boss so that the same boss fight duration nonetheless feels less trivial... are now lost to or diminished for her.

No amount of "It's 12-20 minutes anyways" is going to be relevant to the complaint that was being made. It's a comment on fun, even if we may disagree with the poster on how to value those elements or even on how much they've really changed.
The duration of or "need" around the problem affecting that perceived fun is irrelevant. That something one used to enjoy is now less fun, it'd be no boon for it to be short(er) anyways; that'd be like a favorite TV show getting both worse writing and longer commercial breaks.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[...]Dungeon mobs have such low HP that you barely get off a full rotation before they die, and if they are taking forever, then either one or both of the DPS are terrible and need to learn their job a bit better.

Now that you mention this, I remembered that time when I was meme'ing with a full premade with my friends by running as a CNJ into 4-man dungeons roulettes. Funnily enough I do vaguely remembering they mentioned about their 2m cooldowns lines up just perfectly as opposed to our regular premade runs where there's usually about 30s gap time before it comes back up again after each wall pulls finishes. It makes me think that devs (for the most part) do take account of most participant's dps except healer's into consideration. Because as a CNJ I was limited to just a weak Cure II (missing lv85 trait) with no AoE to throw and hilariously weak Stone II fillers, whereas if I queued in as any other full fledged healers I would've gone ham on dpsing.

[DixieBellOCE]

Now that you mention this, I remembered that time when I was meme'ing with a full premade with my friends by running as a CNJ into 4-man dungeons roulettes. Funnily enough I do vaguely remembering they mentioned about their 2m cooldowns lines up just perfectly as opposed to our regular premade runs where there's usually about 30s gap time before it comes back up again after each wall pulls finishes. It makes me think that devs (for the most part) do take account of most participant's dps except healer's into consideration. Because as a CNJ I was limited to just a weak Cure II (missing lv85 trait) with no AoE to throw and hilariously weak Stone II fillers, whereas if I queued in as any other full fledged healers I would've gone ham on dpsing.

I've been playing prominently healers this patch, and for Endgame dungeons i can almost guarantee i do more damage than the DPS themselves during Trash Pulls.
The amount of people that don't know they have AOE or don't understand how their AOE cone attacks work, is very worrying.

[Reimmi]

So many people missing ops point lol

[Zfz]

It all depends on the party dps really.

As RMD, back in 6.0 I used to blow Embolden and Manafication on the first pull, then Magic Barrier on the second pull, and I would have my Embolden and Manafication back for the boss. Then in 6.1 kill speeds sped up and I would start seeing parties where Embolden and Manafication only come up after the boss fight started, and the boss would die so fast that if I used the cooldowns in the boss fight, they'd not be up for the next trash pull, etc.

So now in 6.3 I have changed to Magic Barrier on the first pull, then Embolden and Manafication on the second pull.

But when I go down into the Lv.90 roulette (as opposed to Ex Roulette) then every now and then I run into groups that kill slower (e.g. the rest of the group are all just starting to gear up at Lv.90) and I would see more use of my burst cooldowns.

There's just no point thinking so much into cooldowns. You naturally get into a rhythm for the current content and it would slowly change up as everyone gear up. Then you settle into the new rhythem. I think it's fine. Unless they refresh our cooldowns when we leave combat, giving us a clean slate after each fight, there's just no way to always have consistent results between parties.

I think this "variety" actually makes the grind on the same dungeons over and over throughout each patch to be more bearable. I wouldn't want all my dungeon runs to feel exactly the same no matter who I party with. That would really bore me to death...

[NekoMataMata]

In my experience dungeons take 12-20m regardless of optimization. There are a few groups here and there where a wipe will happen but its pretty rare. I don't see any need to micro manage what I am doing in the dungeon. I press buttons. Things die. I move on.

EW's levelling dungeons only really get up to 20 minutes long because the majority of them split the packs of mobs awkwardly. Every one of them has one or two parts where you can't really wall to wall because the story portion of the dungeon forces you to wait at different points.