Please add damage meters, Yoshi P.

[raelgun]

Wildstar raiding scene died due to their "hardcore" approach which alienated casual players, and even se hardcore players. I forgot which interview it was I will look for it when I get home, but even the raid design member did mention that their focus on harder endgame was a poor judgment call. They overestimated the staying power or higher end raiders, and found out too late that the causal base is what keeps content alive. They made a design choice.

Lol sure the housing was great but let us be real endgame was far from casual friendly. Sure it was buggy but for the time compared to other mmo launches at the time it was a rather stable launch.

Housing is not the only thing causal players enjoy. Many factors lead to wildstar dying and lack of causal player base was one of them.

It really didn't, wildstar died cos it released far too early when trying to jump on wow.

It was clear cut about it's hardcore approach, it didn't lie. People stopped playing before getting to max level because the game was incomplete.

It's people like you that lies that try to enforce this rhetoric

[BristolRuss]

This is big talk from the guy who has spent 10 kills on p8s p2 and can barely parse better than I can.

For all your dripping smug arrogance you would think your performance would be a lot better.

Don't sell yourself too short, while your percentile on P8S is lower your DPS is actually higher.

[Ivtrix]

Certified Mario & Luigi moment

Even if he is at the end of the day a troll, I the language he uses is classic toxic midcore elitist and generally the typical disdain nonraiders have when they broad brush comments against raiders.

Painfully average logs which I welcome everyone to inspect
Sneering attitude
Thinks ultimate parsing is meaningful when it’s widely held as meme activity for those who actually participate in ultimate
“I’ll play better when I find a group that holds me back” just reeks of the inability to network, because players who are actually good likely don’t want to play with him.

It sucks because the core or the argument is fine: the hope that players will actively seek to improve their own play. The issue is just if it’s debatably malicious trolling or mental incompetence that he believes shaming players promotes a culture where players will take the challenge and rise to the occasion in order to be better. It works for some people but for the wide majority it just doesn’t.

If you really don’t want to play with shit players, surround yourself with not shit players. The onus is on you to develop at your own choosing a solid network of players you wish to interact with. Because the system will should always compel the player to be better and not hardwall players with negative reinforcement.

I encourage everyone reading this posting to take the time to read a great book: Bringing Out the Best in People: How to Apply the Astonishing Power of Positive Reinforcement. It’s a great life skills book that teaches the 4 reward systems (positive/negative reinforcement, pleasure/pain) and which ones (hint hint positive reinforcement) are exceptionally more effective in many different scenarios. You can find the book online, or likely find it for free at your local library.

You arnt attempting to drive a culture where everyone is exceptional at the game, you’re trying to drive a culture where players are excellent to each other. Firemage fails this as he believes people can just be shamed into being better or shamed out of existence, which is a pretty miserable outlook and likely parallels their out of game life as well. Do in fact pray for him and not me.

You arnt required to press join queue and play with randoms. The onus is on you to surround yourself with people you want to play with.


But if you want to foster a growing community that actually wants to participate in the game on a widespread basis, negative improvement ain’t it chief.

[Ivtrix]

Don't sell yourself too short, while your percentile on P8S is lower your DPS is actually higher.

I’m not wildly worried about his dps vs mine, I have a lot of things I personally need to work on to improve my play against my previous own. That’s all I’m really concerned with.

But thank you

[Conadrium]

Never meet your heroes but also were they a fan of xeno before that or just happened to know who he is? Because if you are a fan of a streamer who is known for this kind of stuff and then get upset that it happened to you by said streamer, you're a fake fan anyway.

Or more likely, because there are no damage meters in game, he didn’t know he was sub par.

[Conadrium]

The friend wasn't a 'fan'. He was just broadly aware that Xenosys Vex was a popular content creator at the time. Most people tend to know who people like MTQ, Mr.Happy or Momo are without ever seeing any of their content.



This is how Xeno

I don’t know who any of those four people are.

[Ivtrix]

I don’t know who any of those four people are.

I do, but a lot of people forget how small streamer / content creator visibility actually is.

[FireMage]

It seems I must help educate you in order for you to recover

Even if he is at the end of the day a troll

Not a troll, in any sense of the word

the language he uses is classic toxic midcore elitist and generally the typical disdain nonraiders have when they broad brush comments against raiders.

Also not an elitist. An elitist would not want others to be better

Painfully average logs which I welcome everyone to inspect

They aren't average though. I'm a high end RDM, like are you serious? An average player isn't going to beat out over 90% of the playerbase

“I’ll play better when I find a group that holds me back” just reeks of the inability to network, because players who are actually good likely don’t want to play with him.

I network just fine, the problem is that I'm in a rut. I either no life raid content which is not something I have the time to do, or I put up with being held back on a skill level. Such is the burden of greatness

Firemage fails this as he believes people can just be shamed into being better or shamed out of existence

I mean that MCH left... In the end it is up to those of us with standards to block out those that have no consideration for others. See here's the truth, being bad in XIV, is a choice. And by making that choice you have shown you are not worth being treated with common decency and respect, because if you were worth those things you'd have chosen to not be bad

[BaconBits]

Legitimately the Mario says vs Luigi says meme but in reverse.

This is what happens when you let Mario get away with tax fraud for so long.

[Bobby66]

It really didn't, wildstar died cos it released far too early when trying to jump on wow.

It was clear cut about it's hardcore approach, it didn't lie. People stopped playing before getting to max level because the game was incomplete.

It's people like you that lies that try to enforce this rhetoric

As mentioned Wild Star died for many reasons, yes it had bugs, yes it was bland compared to other releases at the times, yes it was a new IP, yes it had bugs, but to say the difficultly did not play a role is akin to me saying difficultly is the sole reason it died. Never said it was tye sole reason it died.

It appeared casua, and to a degree it was even partially marketed as a game for causals. Expect for the end game, which did turn off players. In the end even causal players enjoy raiding. Yes they were honest and upfront about it.

Yes, it lacked content as it stood it was raid or die, but the raiding content and even dungeons were far too difficult for the avg player. Gearing was wonky ay time crafted Gear was just better. I agree Attunements were buggy but even when they worked they were a giant freaking choir. They have a vision for a more hardcore experience but the times for that past.