Get rid of SAM Limit break gimmick already (FL)

[Gserpent]

DRG doesn't need help honestly, but 60% DR, MCH Chainsaw, and NIN/SAMLBs are still awful for the health of FL overall.

DRG with a DRK to cluster will net you an incredible amount of impact, kills, damage, whatever. Like this is an average game on Seal Rock which is p much all I've been playing.



Right now they should prob try something like 30-40% DR for melee, 10-20% for NIN alone due to how it's a pseudo-ranged, see how it affects the meta and brings back some ranged impact instead of them being fodder for melee. Being able to play any job and tank, and then escape, 6+ players if you have BH5 is ludicrous in any scenario too.

Honestly? I'd look at tweaking the timers for abilities next. Along with reducing melee/tank to 30% and NIN to half of that.

A shorter cooldown on Purify and/or Guard would make a substantial difference. I also think that Sprint needs to be changed from unlimited to a 30-50% uptime short cooldown - maybe like 8 sec duration with 20 sec cooldown. Unlimited sprint is a problem for melee characters, as unless you can chain CC's together, you can quite literally just run away from melee/caster attackers and there's surprisingly little you can do about it.

Unlimited sprint is fine in CC due to tiny maps, but it's kind of an issue in the larger environments of FL and RW.

[Vencio]

Maybe perhaps re-modify the LB itself?

Can’t ask to request be taken something away in your favour & if that were the case then I have to differ otherwise to equally do so for your job or all jobs altogether.

PS: It can be countered; its all about situational awareness & timing your abilities & vice versa for your opponents…

[Gserpent]

I think it's probably a good idea to remove instant death mechanics from the game in general. Instant death mechanics in a game with low tickrate and spell batching is... not really ideal. Note that SAM, NIN, etc LB do not lack counterplay - it's just that the counterplay isn't terribly fun and it creates an unpleasant environment.

I'd suggest something like, SAM LB does 5k flat damage, increased by 100% against targets afflicted by Kuzushi; and it additionally applies a damage over time effect equal to the target's maximum HP with a 6 sec duration if they are afflicted by Kuzushi. This still has the same net effect of killing people who attacked into Chiten, but offers a few moments to react to it. Maybe pumping all four potions into it will prevent you from dying... but now you have no mana, still have very low health, and you *probably* can't elixir. But it's better than "server tick says you die." Because it's a dot, Guard won't help you.

For NIN, I think I'd just change it to like 15k flat damage plus an additional 10k if they are below half health, and all of the damage ignores Guard. You could then probably revert the LB nerfs, as a ~25k hit is less likely to directly kill someone, and thus they will instead need to rely more on getting the buff to chain it.

I don't know what to do about Chainsaw. Maybe just give it a nice dot? Or they could do something like, each target hit after the first takes additional damage up to 100% more damage?

[Ransu]

How's that mathematically impossible soloing of melee jobs on brd going?

Just fine.

[Kansene]

Just fine.

That's great!
I'd greatly appreciate pointers, seeing as I'm unable to replicate the required numbers even in ideal lab-perfect conditions. It's not outside the realms of possibility that I've gotten a modifier wrong or misunderstood how things stack.

I'm very impressed with the unrelated screenie, those are insanely good stats, more than twice my personal best KB-wise.

[Jettinson]

Just fine.

That doesn't answer the question though, just showing of a high kill count with the other 2 teams being not even close to the winner even. For all i can see, it was a breeze stomping.

[Absurdity]

Add ninja to the list of jobs that are completely unbalanced in frontlines since it completely ignores the damage reduction that melees and tanks are supposed to have in that mode, if you're under 50% HP you are dead. Meanwhile LBs from Summoner, Dragoon, Redmage, etc are all still affected by the 60% damage reduction that tanks and melees have. don't forget you can also guard dragoon's lb this with all the Dmg Reuction it'll do next to no damage

It doesn't just ignore the 60% DR, it also benefits itself from the 60%, making it both incredibly tanky and annoying but also more lethal than every other melee.

[Blinding_Awesomeness]

It just occurred to me that if I use Horrid Roar and get Kuzushi because of it, I will still take 100% damage even though targets inflicted with Horrid Roar should deal 50% less damage to me. It's a contradiction.

[Nikoto]

It just occurred to me that if I use Horrid Roar and get Kuzushi because of it, I will still take 100% damage even though targets inflicted with Horrid Roar should deal 50% less damage to me. It's a contradiction.

Japanese class privledge, silence silly lancer!

私は武士であり、愚かな装甲騎士の男を破壊するために私のエピック限界突破を使用します

[Blinding_Awesomeness]

Japanese class privledge, silence silly lancer!

私は武士であり、愚かな装甲騎士の男を破壊するために私のエピック限界突破を使用します

(^ワ^＝) While I was playing with sticks, SAMs studied the blade.