Please add damage meters, Yoshi P.

[VerdeLuck]

Why do you think the outcome would be different compared to me popping off on someone over dropping to every boss mechanic? That's also information provided by SE. I can see when someone dies, I can see their (stacking) weakness. The reason why people are so tame in ff14 is because there is an actual threat of punishment for every single aggression. This keeps people quiet right now, it will continue to do so because people are already used to that.
Do you really think people dont already see if someone deals no damage without parser? That's foolish. If I see a dps be fourth in aggro on a dungeon boss with no deaths happening well into the fight, I dont need a dps meter. Do you think people dont notice a trash pull taking double the time than usual with one dude standing there and only acting every 5 seconds? Do you think people dont notice a healer not casting a single dps spell the entire fight? If you open your eyes you already see that but people are overwhelmingly quiet about it.
Nothing would change, which makes your next question actually really good: "for what?" This is the only valid argument in this entire thread. The benefit would be to be able to show people going on a condescending rant about how much they are carrying a party if the blame game starts happening that actually they werent and that definitive proof exists. If this upsets people who want to get through dungeons with pressing no more than 3 buttons then good, they're not respecting anyone's time, why should their time get respected. That said, I dont think it would be a good idea for SE to build their own tool. I'm sorry console players, you wont be able to use ACT and I dont think it would be a worthwhile adventure for SE to try to copy it.
It would be a huge waste of time, what would be the far more sensible approach would be to dial back their stance on mods and not outlaw them on principle. None of the TOS about harassment would have to change because it's already covered. Even now, if you pile on someone for their damage numbers ingame it's not mod usage you get punished for. It's harassment rules. Under the current way of handling it.

Even in your best case scenario, your goal for having dps meters is to expose people doing worse than you. That's the entire reason why people know it will be used for toxic reasons, you're admitting it. You want the numbers included in the game so you can shove them in someone else's face.
It will 100% be used for toxicity if added, and that's why we're not getting it.

[Saraide]

Even in your best case scenario, your goal for having dps meters is to expose people doing worse than you. That's the entire reason why people know it will be used for toxic reasons, you're admitting it. You want the numbers included in the game so you can shove them in someone else's face.
It will 100% be used for toxicity if added, and that's why we're not getting it.

So if someone falsely claims they are carrying the party, if someone falsely blames everyone else proving them wrong is toxic? That's what you're saying and you're still not explaining how it can be any different than ripping into someone for dying a lot.

[kevin_satron]

only judge their dps numbers after they know all the mechanics & did all of them right and no deaths until enrage wipe.

[Zebraoracle]

So if someone falsely claims they are carrying the party, if someone falsely blames everyone else proving them wrong is toxic? That's what you're saying and you're still not explaining how it can be any different than ripping into someone for dying a lot.

There's no point in arguing with people like them, they won't see logic that's literally staring them in the face, they're too worried about 14 becoming like the big bad boogieman that is WoW and that someone's feelings might get hurt because somehow a damage meter being in the game means the TOS suddenly doesn't cover harassment. Never mind that 14's community already has a very toxic side, it's no better than WoW's, it's just super passive aggressive and subtle because, hey you know those TOS that will suddenly not matter? Yeah, SE actually tends to enforce them, so people have to vent their toxicity in ways that circumvent that. Thankfully, the majority of 14's playerbase, just like the majority of WoW's playerbase, isn't part of the toxic cesspool and won't actually do crap with in game meters except in the most extreme cases, but these people won't be convinced.

Now, let's go do a dungeon and let the single targeting DPS, Sophie healer, and no mit using tank continue being toxic drains on the party!

[Momo_Kozuki]

Ignorance is bliss. Let the bliss commence in eternity.

[Jamini]

We have parsing already. A huge portion of the raiding community uses it, and uses it to record you regardless if you wish to be or not.

I've never seen someone refused or kicked from a group over poor parses unless it's a party explicitly made for barsing. Far more often people are kicked because they lie about their progression, or are getting killed due to having a bad night (which is, unsurprisingly, the absolute easiest way to kill any parse.)

Personally I've mostly seen positive uses of parsing. Examining FFLogs has enabled me to work out what I can do to do better. It has pushed me to think of outside of the box solutions for groups with low damage. (One of my favorite kills on P7S was a 0.01% enrage where a bio tick killed it. We only managed it because I convinced the group to use a DPS LB1 ASAP, so we'd still have healer LB3 up for the three harvests) Without people running ACT, we never would have known how close we were and that we had to adjust our strategy. I used it to learn/tech myself how to meld my materia better, as I was going too hard on crit and determination when I needed direct hit.

I still need it, because it shows me how I can improve by keeping my GCD rolling and not missing my dot uptime. Sometimes it specifically shows me when I'm missing these (mostly due to focusing on mechanics and forgetting to hit Ruin II on the move)

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Ultimately I mostly see a lot of folks using fear of damage meters as a boogieman. There's really nothing to be afraid of. Nobody is going to jump out of your computer and slap you if you have an off night, and maybe one in fifty people will even care at all... especially in casual content.

[Jamini]

Even in your best case scenario, your goal for having dps meters is to expose people doing worse than you. That's the entire reason why people know it will be used for toxic reasons, you're admitting it. You want the numbers included in the game so you can shove them in someone else's face.
It will 100% be used for toxicity if added, and that's why we're not getting it.

I'm not Saraide, but I'd like it simply for the fact that I cannot run ACT on my current RIG. It works by reading memory in your OS, and I'm not on windows.

It rather sucks to rely on others to upload parses for me to look over.

[Rolder50]

Do you really think people dont already see if someone deals no damage without parser? That's foolish. If I see a dps be fourth in aggro on a dungeon boss with no deaths happening well into the fight, I dont need a dps meter. Do you think people dont notice a trash pull taking double the time than usual with one dude standing there and only acting every 5 seconds? Do you think people dont notice a healer not casting a single dps spell the entire fight? If you open your eyes you already see that but people are overwhelmingly quiet about it.

I had an experience like this in a dungeon awhile back. Expert roulette where we had a black mage who was casting ice spells while at full MP, repeatedly. I don't think his MP ever went below half. I don't need a parser to tell me he wasn't doing any damage. But I just dealt with it and that was that, and it wouldn't change even if everyone had a parser.

[Voltyblast]

There's no point in arguing with people like them, they won't see logic that's literally staring them in the face, they're too worried about 14 becoming like the big bad boogieman that is WoW and that someone's feelings might get hurt because somehow a damage meter being in the game means the TOS suddenly doesn't cover harassment. Never mind that 14's community already has a very toxic side, it's no better than WoW's, it's just super passive aggressive and subtle because, hey you know those TOS that will suddenly not matter? Yeah, SE actually tends to enforce them, so people have to vent their toxicity in ways that circumvent that. Thankfully, the majority of 14's playerbase, just like the majority of WoW's playerbase, isn't part of the toxic cesspool and won't actually do crap with in game meters except in the most extreme cases, but these people won't be convinced.

Now, let's go do a dungeon and let the single targeting DPS, Sophie healer, and no mit using tank continue being toxic drains on the party!

I was going to comment here as well, but you pretty much nailed it: there's no point, especially when people fight toxicity with even more toxicity. If anything it's an amusing spectacle, but I learned that the best thing to do in these cases, is to do nothing. Let the people fight among each other, and never let them stop doing their mistakes.

Ever since I stopped talking in game, I've had a great time. More people should do the same. Especially when literally anything can be used to claim offense and be reported. Looking forward to that day.

[FireMage]

Even in your best case scenario, your goal for having dps meters is to expose people doing worse than you. That's the entire reason why people know it will be used for toxic reasons, you're admitting it. You want the numbers included in the game so you can shove them in someone else's face.
It will 100% be used for toxicity if added, and that's why we're not getting it.

Cleaving bads isn't toxic