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  1. #171
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    And then once you add damage meters whoops suddenly you make that debate even worse!
    I disagree, the numbers being forbidden opens the door for pure feelycraft. Actual numbers would help put a check on people making up fabrications to shift blame away from themselves.
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  2. #172
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    I disagree, the numbers being forbidden opens the door for pure feelycraft. Actual numbers would help put a check on people making up fabrications to shift blame away from themselves.
    I disagree, you cant genuinely trust people far enough to NOT abuse it to be toxicity anyway. Its like giving a loaded gun to a opo-opo.
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  3. #173
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    I disagree, you cant genuinely trust people far enough to NOT abuse it to be toxicity anyway. Its like giving a loaded gun to a opo-opo.
    The opo-opo in question is already shooting. It would give everyone else a way to defend themselves.
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  4. #174
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    The opo-opo in question is already shooting. It would give everyone else a way to defend themselves.
    Yeah well the opo-opo has the machinist job stone so he throws in wild fire at the raiding community, slowly adding up toxic arguments with his overheated damage meter tools till the community cant take anymore and wild fire finally set off
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  5. #175
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    Yeah well the opo-opo has the machinist job stone so he throws in wild fire at the raiding community, slowly adding up toxic arguments with his overheated damage meter tools till the community cant take anymore and wild fire finally set off
    All those MCH references you keep mentioning makes me wonder if you're talking about that 99th MCH who was demanded to swap to BRD/DNC because the PF creator whined in chat about not being able to get their p5s clear in a friggin' 15th week. (Thanks, twitter algorithm! lol)
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    Last edited by Rein_eon_Osborne; 12-21-2022 at 10:26 PM.

  6. #176
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    All those MCH references you keep mentioning makes me wonder if you're talking about that 99th MCH who was demanded to swap to BRD/DNC because the PF creator whined in chat about not being able to get their p5s clear in a friggin' 15th week. (Thanks, twitter algorithm! lol)
    Actually that was the example I was refering to earlier. But it was a coincidence since I originally was gonna say "monkey with a gun" but had to make it FFXIV related somehow
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    So some t-cup didn't allow a MCH, so what? It's their PF
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  8. #178
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    So some t-cup didn't allow a MCH, so what? It's their PF
    I am willing to assume that mch was glad the pf host revealed themselves as dummy before going into the instance. This is the beauty of allowing people to fully set their own rules, not only do reasonable people get the ability to gate out bad actors, bad actors will also instantly show the world who they are if they host their own PFs.
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  9. #179
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoabolic View Post
    Let's be honest, shaming will happen. If it's not dps then it will be ilvl. If it's not ilvl then it's clears. If it's not clears then it will be glamours. Humans attempting to shame other humans is going to happen and no amount of safeguards will prevent it. That's why the act itself should be looked down on.
    You are not proving a valid point at all and you don't understand a thing of what I said.

    DPS meters is NOT in the game for the reason of that SE would permit that way for players to be able to lockout other players if they can't reach X dps, even if what they do is more than enough.

    By adding the DPS meter = SE would permit people shaming over their DPS and it would be too much of a problem with harrashment and the likes that they simply would not bother to add it at all... what they should do though... they should remove the logging to peoples PC's by removing the entire combat log.

    You don't need it for anything and if anything it is more a development tool rather than ACT and the likes being able to sniff the data.

    I wonder what you guys did in the old days with difficult content when there was no DPS's meters and whatever else? I know what I did... I kept going at the content with some friends untill we beat it dead... but again hardcore gamers is a thing of the past, now they need tools for everything... and uh.. why should we play the game as intended?

    You can't shame on ilevel, it is labeled directly on the duty what is the minimum requirement, and it is doable at the minimum requirement, if you are good at your job of choice, most are scared for mechanics... so they rather want to skip them rather than to play them... that also raises quite a few good questions.
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  10. #180
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Reread that sentence and you tell me whats wrong with it.
    You have a diadain for a tool because people misuse it and abuse it. As mentioned should we bar other things people misuse and abuse?

    Here is the wonderful issue, everyone has different experiences you seem to have a overly negative one and I seem to have an overly positive or neutral experience with the WoW community.

    So why is one experience held in higher regard than the other? Both are largely anecdotal, both are still with merit cause they are ones personal experience but don't you see how we are more or less using emotion to bar the use of something because assholes exist?

    In the end people hating on a tool because some people will use it wrong just baffles me. Reminds me of people that want to get rid of accessibility third party tools because people misuse and abuse third party tools.

    Punish the abuse when it happens, do.not try and take the easy way out.
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    Last edited by Bobby66; 12-22-2022 at 12:49 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    Okay boomer.

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