The next "Oh, shit its Ranjit" post...

[Raven2014]

Ranjit was first time writers gave us a story with actually subtle (by ff14 standard) storytelling where you use hints to piece together how Ranjit came to be the way he did. And the only response community at large gave is "literally who". And then same community wonders why neither writers nor game designers respect their intelligence. I love the story either way, but you can't convince me there's any subtlety in it. Ranjit's story is biggest example, and with reception he got? Probably last.

Most people don't have problem with him as a story character, and not like we can't empathy with his position. Unless you somehow missed what most people have been saying, the problem is his presentation. And Urianger is a far more enigmatic character until his mask finally come down in ShB. And I think his popularity proved that the community has no problem with subtle character as long as their presentation don't suck.

[Heroman3003]

Most people don't have problem with him as a story character, and not like we can't empathy with his position. Unless you somehow missed what most people have been saying, the problem is his presentation. And Urianger is a far more enigmatic character until his mask finally come down in ShB. And I think his popularity proved that the community has no problem with subtle character as long as their presentation don't suck.

Urianger was enigmatic, but JUST enigmatic. His presentation was never particularly subtle in what it revealed. There is dubiousness, there is mystery, and then there is subtlety. Ranjit's backstory was presented subtly, in ways that intentionally are not just a convinient flashback #84 or some third party just telling us his trauma. Its still not REALLY subtle, but compared to other stories in ff14 it is, and I liked Ranjit. But people are too upset because echo and blessing of light dont matter when facing an opponent with extreme martial skill and so they hate both Zenos and Ranjit. And yes, Our godslaying skills are irrelevant because the only thing stopping quite many people in the world from being as high in godslayer rankings is us is lack of protection from Tempering, not the lack of skill in combat.

[Atelier-Bagur]

To be honest, Ranjiit soley existed because they needed to have someone representing the forces of Eulmore chasing down the group, certainly Jabba the Hutt wouldnt be capable of getting his carcass around to actually do anything. I agree, Ranjiit was more of a Thancred enemy than a WoL enemy but can we at least appreciate that they at least gave some nice focus on one of the side characters with their own arc rather than the WoL circle jerking for a change? Heavens forbid the story stops to keep reminding how super cool and important the WoL is 24/7 so that fight with Ranjiit and Thancred was one of the highlights for me of the expansion.

[GTK0HLK]

Seeing how this thread went..,
Don't got much to say..,

Sure the way the story flowed could be improved, but overall it wasn't too bad in gameplay, or story.<least not as bad as it could be>

I'm one of the few that don't lower the difficulty of the instanced duties.<kinda curious how hard would roll.., but it's not needed>

Loved the EW Walk in the Park[Alucard be proud, along with the Fear Turkey in Bozja]

Hope the Game has more moments to show perspectives.<while I really really dislike the removal of certain interactions, like out interaction with finding the Real "Cred" in purple haze Forest land in ARR. or interactions were our character DID EXIST IN. -just for others to praise the retcons/adjustments to be not mandatory for no real reason- they could add more scenes to add story and flavor to characters. the "Meanwhiles" they've done have been going well as they go<definitely eliciting emotions for their cheekiness>

The Dev team Learns and Grows.., and you've yet to get to the here and now.

Hopefully this thread grows not only our perspectives, but also the devs if they ever do see it.

For they aren't done growing yet either.
That little "Walk" Amidst "other" Falling Snows.., as I and others have mentioned did very well.

specially to show how the world by and large may see us.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Never liked most solo duties in normal mode tbh, Thancred’s was imho the worst of all during my first playthrough. They all follow the same formula of “Player dealing chip damage for X minute.” plus extremely barebone hotbar if it’s an NPC RP duties, which is far worse. I want them to be more fast paced, that’s why I always pick Very Easy mode when given the opportunity, whether through forced disconnection (Bozja Incident), or NG+. Anything lasting longer than 1-3 minute make me fall asleep.

Story wise? They’re all fine, at least to me.

[Raven2014]

Urianger was enigmatic, but JUST enigmatic. His presentation was never particularly subtle in what it revealed. There is dubiousness, there is mystery, and then there is subtlety. Ranjit's backstory was presented subtly, in ways that intentionally are not just a convinient flashback #84 or some third party just telling us his trauma. Its still not REALLY subtle, but compared to other stories in ff14 it is, and I liked Ranjit. But people are too upset because echo and blessing of light dont matter when facing an opponent with extreme martial skill and so they hate both Zenos and Ranjit.

Then I don't know what you meant by subtely then. Ranjit was the character supposed to show that the Eulmoran didn't surrender because they were coward and just rolled over, but gave up because they were broken after fighting back hard. How can it be subtle when the narrative make tons of reference to it and Ranjit himself screaming at you that very thing half of the time? Rin in particular tell you a lot of it if you care to listen. He makes you painfully aware of his position even if you don't want to listen to it.

But that's not even the main point here. Like I said I have no problem with his position in the story, whether he's as great as you can be debate. But his execution just sucks.

And yes, Our godslaying skills are irrelevant because the only thing stopping quite many people in the world from being as high in godslayer rankings is us is lack of protection from Tempering, not the lack of skill in combat.

Uhm ... no. It's not like those being were weak that temping was the only weapon, so any one who manage to avoid it can just walk up and put a dagger in their throat. All of them are capable of mass destruction. In between we also fight ... you know, dragons, alien weapon of mass destruction, ancient heroes, other demi-gods (warring triad). The WoL is a peerless warrior that had faced down all the trial of strength from West to East in our journey, that strength didn't simply come from Headalyn blessing, because more than half of the trial we faced that's not even relevant.

In fact, there is nothing I saw in ShB that come close to compare to anything we had fought at the source.

[Saraide]

Sometime writer just follow a formula without thinking too much about it. And the formula is "the protagonist always gonna get his butt kicked on the first encounter, going on the journey to power up, then go back and have a rematch". SB did the samethign with zenos, but at least it somewhat made sense.

Ranjit though? Absolutely none sense.

- It doesn't matter how much experience he has, the WoL's resume will make his look like a green recruit.
- He didn't just face the WoL, he had the ENTIRE scions + WoL gang up on him and bring all of them to their knee without breaking a sweat.


But those are not even the worst thing. After Endwalker Ranjit became even a worse in retrospect. The Scion being there as botched summon I can understand, but the WoL was summoned to the first in flesh and blood. As a being whose soul had 3-4 rejoining, even without accounting the experience, the raw power balance would be completely lopsided in the WoL's favor.

That's wrong. Endwalker did the same thing. In the sparring match with venat we held our ground despite the encounter by rights being far more lopsided.

[Raven2014]

That's wrong. Endwalker did the same thing. In the sparring match with venat we held our ground despite the encounter by rights being far more lopsided.

Uhm ... the difference is that was a sparring match? Have you ever had a sparring match in real life against a mentor? While they will commend your ability and even may say something that you make them fight for it, it's always in the context that they actually synch down to what they believe someone equal to your ability. In a do or die fight they will wipe your butt.

It's fairly obvious at that point Venat had a pretty good guess of our role and the gravitas of the situation. The match was more of a test of skill and mental fortitude of the WoL, she commend us to manage to push her as far as we did given our form, not that we manage to be her equal. It's the same as the fight when she tested us at the end. Through out Elpis eposide when a real risk evolve the Ancient all demonstrate abilities far above what we can do, and I don't mean by just simply creation magic. I mean ... she fly up and chase after the Meteion into space for a while ... think we can do that?

Like ... the WoL had fought to an inch of our life before, and it usually shows how spent we are in the after match, win or lose. Did you even see us or her try to catch our breath at the end of that sparring match?

[Kranel_San]

This. But it DOES do a good job showing how much of a power gap there is between the WoL and the Scions.

Exactly. We get to play as a guy with no aether manipulation against a master of martial arts. It would be more questionable if the fight ended quickly in the favor of Thancred.

[Yuella]

I get Ranjit's original position on sineaters...but he saw us kill the lightwarden in Lakeland, then in Il Mheg, then in Raktika, and STILL he couldn't see that we could beat them all back and he continued to serve Vauthry even though we showed him that there is another solution to the sineaters problem.