Playing an expansion as current content has been a lacklustre MMO experience

[caffe_macchiato]

Also R041, it really seems like you just need to quit FFXIV for other games like WoW or Ashes of Creation (whenever that comes out) because you keep shouting how much the game doesnt cater to how other MMOs play. FFXIV only needs to adhere to itself. I've made this same argument too, people play a game because they want to play THAT game. I dont play FFXIV because I wanted to play FFXI, or I dont play WoW because I want to play Lost Ark. I play FFXIV because I want to play FFXIV and if that doesnt suit you anymore then thats totally fine. Just quit crying that the game needs to have this dramatic change in its style and design to cater to what YOU want

I wish more people thought this way. Instead, the FFXIV "fan" base in the English-speaking world is filled with people who beg to play other games, as though they're children who can't take a break without permission. You can see that plenty throughout this thread. I'm not sure what kind of fan is overjoyed at the prospect of not playing their favorite multiplayer game for eight months out of the year. How about they come fill up our queues that take 30+ minutes or the party finder that's always empty?

[Shurrikhan]

So, what's the purpose of raiding if you can craft something better? If it's to get components to then have someone/an alt craft, I feel sorry for y'all.

...It was just pointed out. The materials for raid-level crafted gear... come from raids. If you want current-tier Savage-ilvl crafted shit, you'd have to do current-tier Savage. That kind of idea.

If you just want intro/catch-up gear, or something a bit better than last tier, stuff from last tier would suffice. Etc., etc.

It's essentially a tradeable part of X drop. Combine it with others and turn it into whichever drop's equivalent you desire, with the ability also to force particular secondary stats.

[R041]

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Your post is barely coherent and makes it sound like you have 2 contradictory points. But also, XIV DOESN'T EVEN ADHERE TO ITSELF. Why do people keep saying that?

Every expansion except for Endwalker has changed core mechanics drastically or removed them entirely. 1.0 was as different from ARR, as ARR is to Endwalker.

Dudebro joined 2021: "Yeah, like.. FF is just being it's normal self. Like it or not, just leave then."

If you look at my post history, I've been perfectly fine since 1.0 until recently. So maybe all the players that left WoW to come and be toxic over here finally made me snap.

This place is gonna look like Second Life by 7.0 lol

[Raven2014]

So, what's the purpose of raiding if you can craft something better? If it's to get components to then have someone/an alt craft, I feel sorry for y'all.


(I guess there was a third thing people have wished for and that was for crafting to be independent of the raiding scene.)

When I was raiding in WoW, aside from some the OP trinkets, I know no raiders ever use craft gears. And it's not very accessible either, the mat you need to craft those kind of gears drop from raid itself. So like ... imagine, you clear P8S, it drops a piece a mat to let you craft the equivalent of the 630 chest piece.

Unless something change, the whole point of the WoW top craft wasn't to progress on raid. It's for people who don't raid to get access to the highest ilvl gear as a vanity thing, and a way for raiders to make money (the guild I was in collect these mat to fund repair and feast/flask for the raid).

It doesn't make sense to compare the 2 system. FF14 top tier craft is to make the raid accessible, WoW top tier craft is like the cherry on top of raiding.

And it was sure as hell not accessible. Imagine if we can put the weapon/chest coffer in FF14 on sale, you want to imagine how much it would go for? And you actually have to wait for group to clear the content readily for those gears even start appearing on the market.

A Meanwhile in other games like WoW you can craft items that are equivalent or better then raid items, giving them an actual purpose.

And ... are you implying FF14's craft gear has no purpose?

Without craft gear, even the world first raider ain't gonna make it past the 3rd fight of the tier where the harsh DPS check start to appear. Hell, most PF probably won't be able to clear the 2nd floor even if all of them are BiS from last tier either. Everyone gonna have to farm tome and normal drop for at least a couple week before they can even attempt the second half of the tier.

Craft gears is what make it possible for week 1 clear. So it does serve a purpose, a very significant purpose, just not the same one as WoW.

[Shurrikhan]

:: Edit: Brain fart. I let myself get led off by the "XIV is more accessible / less grindy because you could just clear each new tier with the old's gear".

When I was raiding in WoW

was

Note that the discussion above was on Dragonflight, the expansion that rehauled crafting "to be more like XIV's", not the place of crafting prior (e.g., else we'd have to similarly disregard Augmented items being of real value within their tier instead of jus the version with shiny shoulder-pads, etc.).

Craft gears is what make it possible for week 1 clear. So it does serve a purpose, a very significant purpose, just not the same one as WoW.

Given that one could just, you know, raid during the prior tier to reach to clear the next and crafting falls short of raid gear here, too, if that is the purpose of crafting in XIV, then...

the whole point of the WoW top craft wasn't to progress on raid. It's for people who don't raid to get access to the highest ilvl gear as a vanity thing

...assuming you mean only that they don't have to have gotten those pieces from raiding and not that raiders are somehow unable/unlikely to ever equip crafted gear, how would that not be the same as in WoW?

Though, again, things changed noticeably with Dragonflight anyways. It is now part of the upgrade process by/for raiders while tiers are still current (and beyond just legendary items), too, not just as catch-up or additional glamours/transmogs.

[Raven2014]

double post but can't delete for some reason

[Raven2014]

Note that the discussion above was on Dragonflight, the expansion that rehauled crafting "to be more like XIV's", not the place of crafting prior.

So it immitate FF14, good to know. Does that mean WoW developer think the crafting system in FF14 make better sense?

Given that one could just, you know, raid during the prior tier to reach that very same ilvl (no, pentamelding is not a significant advantage), if that is the purpose of crafting in XIV, then...

...how would that not be the same as in WoW?

Because it's ... eh simply not the same at all? Crafted gear in FF14 is higher than the BiS gears of the previous tier. Unless I totally missed what you're saying, this post doesn't make any sense.

[Aword3213]

Given that one could just, you know, raid during the prior tier to reach that very same ilvl (no, pentamelding is not a significant advantage), if that is the purpose of crafting in XIV, then....

Asphodelos (prior tier) IL 600

Rinacita (crafted gear) IL 610


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[caffe_macchiato]

This place is gonna look like Second Life by 7.0 lol

The future is closer than you think...

[Aword3213]

If you look at my post history, I've been perfectly fine since 1.0 until recently. So maybe all the players that left WoW to come and be toxic over here finally made me snap.

This place is gonna look like Second Life by 7.0 lol

1.0 : so bad that SE had to build AAR to replace it

Endwalker : sold out digital copies

The key to brighter future for XIV, I see it now

Please hate the game some more. The more you hate it, the more popular it gets