YPYT is griefing. Tank role is not "puller" role

[Jojoya]

Tanking is completely mindless in this game, especially in casual content. You're overthinking it.

Why encourage bad habits in new players?

How many times in the old Castrum Meridianum would the party wipe at the start because someone new to tanking went LEEEEEROOOOOOOYYYY JEEEEEENNNNKINS and ran through all the mobs, taking 2 with him as the rest started gangbanging the healers or the DPS who got off a nice AoE burst? After all, that what they saw other tanks doing when they were in there on other jobs, or what they saw being done in videos.

It happened far more than it should.

You should always make certain you have proper enmity established before moving onto the next pack. It doesn't matter that the DPS and healer will be okay with a stray mob hitting on them most of the time. That shouldn't be happening in the first place. Your role as the tank is to make certain they are hitting you instead of them so they can perform their own roles more effectively.

If that one DPS is confident enough in their ability to run ahead of me while I'm establishing enmity, then I'm not going to worry about them. I'm going to worry first about the healer and other DPS who may not be as confident. New players can panic when something is hitting on them and a lot of them will instinctively run back to where they came from instead of running to the tank.

It is dumb to treat every random party you're in as if they're a bunch of MMO veterans who know how to handle things. For many players, this is their first MMO and it can take a while for the lessons about group play to sink in, especially when most dungeons are done in total silence other than a random "Hi" at the start and a "gg" at the end. Many times I've been in parties with new players going "I was in here once before but I had no idea what was happening because everyone was rushing ahead and all I could do was try to follow".

That's not a good thing. How many times do we hear people complaining about players who don't know what they're doing at level cap? Maybe if the veteran players weren't in too much of a rush in leveling content to help those new players understand things, we wouldn't be getting as many complaints.

Shh, do not burst their bubble in thinking tanking requires any really effort in casual content.

I know it doesn't if you know what you're doing.

How many players out there don't know what they're doing?

[Bobby66]

Let us be honest the tanks that cannot use their AoE or cooldowns do so by choice not ignorance or lack of skill.

In short they are the type of player you cannot educate.

[Azuri]

If you have to stop to "establish enmity" on an average dungeon pull - you are bad at tanking and have no claim on the position of moral superiority to preach how "real tanks do it" from.

Tanks who stop inside a pack to AoE are cringe.

[Yuella]

You have to do 1 AoE on the first pack before going after the second pack.

[Shurrikhan]

You have to do 1 AoE on the first pack before going after the second pack.

Which doesn't require stopping in place or waiting. All that can be done, without any loss, without stopping.

You can voke or ranged GCD beforehand, from max range while still moving in, so they're all gathered into a single AoE's area by the time they meet you along your way to the next pack and you can grab all the rest in one move without stopping.

(If you fail this, note also that each tank also has an AoE oGCD, even if GNB may ideally wish to save theirs for the full gather.)

[Jojoya]

Let us be honest the tanks that cannot use their AoE or cooldowns do so by choice not ignorance or lack of skill.

In short they are the type of player you cannot educate.

And there are tanks that don't use them because they don't understand their purpose. They're not used to playing games based around the holy trinity.

Many of them can be ediucated if someone takes the time to explain it to them. But there are also be those, like you say, are doing it by choice and don't care.

I'd prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt and help them to learn to be a better tank than assume they're the latter.

If you have to stop to "establish enmity" on an average dungeon pull - you are bad at tanking and have no claim on the position of moral superiority to preach how "real tanks do it" from.

Tanks who stop inside a pack to AoE are cringe.

It's called latency, darling. No matter how carefully I try to position myself in the middle of the pack to hit it all with my AoE, the game servers may be registering positions different than what I'm seeing by the time my action is recorded on the game server. There have been times my AoE has hit everything EXCEPT the mob that appeared to be closest to me. There have been times they have been just outside of my AoE, especially when a DPS starts tunneling something on the edge of the pack instead of in the middle so they get pulled outside of my AoE range.

Nice for you if you have 20 ping so no problems. Not so nice for those that are playing with much higher ping.

[Gserpent]

And there are tanks that don't use them because they don't understand their purpose. They're not used to playing games based around the holy trinity.

Many of them can be ediucated if someone takes the time to explain it to them. But there are also be those, like you say, are doing it by choice and don't care.

I'd prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt and help them to learn to be a better tank than assume they're the latter.

You're not really in a position to be telling people how to tank, sweetheart. I agree that people may come to the game absent knowledge of games of this type, but it's Square-Enix's job to teach them the basics of gameplay, not us. If Square-Enix is failing on that job (and they are), that's on them to fix it. Regardless, people are not nearly so stupid as Square-Enix seems to believe them to be. A majority of players will get a new button and hit it a few times to see what it does. If they are experienced at games, they might actually look at the tooltip to see what the game says it does... but most people will mash new buttons because why else would they get them? They'll figure out the move where you spin your axe or sword around hits more than one dude.

It's called latency, darling. No matter how carefully I try to position myself in the middle of the pack to hit it all with my AoE, the game servers may be registering positions different than what I'm seeing by the time my action is recorded on the game server. There have been times my AoE has hit everything EXCEPT the mob that appeared to be closest to me. There have been times they have been just outside of my AoE, especially when a DPS starts tunneling something on the edge of the pack instead of in the middle so they get pulled outside of my AoE range.

Nice for you if you have 20 ping so no problems. Not so nice for those that are playing with much higher ping.

This game has a slow tickrate specifically to compensate for latency. Get your connection fixed, use any of the several options of ping fixing that are available, or even try a VPN. Or just get better at the game. You seriously do not need to worry about having aggro before moving forward. People are not going to die to incidental hits from monsters before you get aggro back when they drag the monsters to you. Throw a rock at the first monster in a pack, catch the second one with an AOE, use provoke if you need to grab a straggler between GCDs. It ain't complicated. If you're worried about them getting aggro while you're making the pull, throw rocks at monsters as you keep moving forward.

One thrown rock is like 50x aggro or something utterly ridiculous like that. It has its own massive enmity modifier on top of tank stance's.

[Shurrikhan]

It's called latency, darling. No matter how carefully I try to position myself in the middle of the pack to hit it all with my AoE, the game servers may be registering positions different than what I'm seeing by the time my action is recorded on the game server. There have been times my AoE has hit everything EXCEPT the mob that appeared to be closest to me. There have been times they have been just outside of my AoE, especially when a DPS starts tunneling something on the edge of the pack instead of in the middle so they get pulled outside of my AoE range.

Nice for you if you have 20 ping so no problems. Not so nice for those that are playing with much higher ping.

I regularly played at 130-160 ms when the servers were in Quebec, with frequent lag spikes and packet loss due to having a shit ISP at the time. It never made me miss enemies during a sprinting gather. Unless there was a ranged enemy among them (which any ST oGCD could solve), each was one AoE per pack, without needing to pause whatsoever.

Have them start gathering before you arrive, via Provoke or the like so they're already drawn into your AoE range as you pass. If that still fails due to a random and severe lag spike, just pop an Orogeny/Scorn/Flood, too, as you go. It's really that simple.

[Bobby66]

And there are tanks that don't use them because they don't understand their purpose. They're not used to playing games based around the holy trinity.

Many of them can be ediucated if someone takes the time to explain it to them. But there are also be those, like you say, are doing it by choice and don't care.

I'd prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt and help them to learn to be a better tank than assume they're the latter.




It's called latency, darling. No matter how carefully I try to position myself in the middle of the pack to hit it all with my AoE, the game servers may be registering positions different than what I'm seeing by the time my action is recorded on the game server. There have been times my AoE has hit everything EXCEPT the mob that appeared to be closest to me. There have been times they have been just outside of my AoE, especially when a DPS starts tunneling something on the edge of the pack instead of in the middle so they get pulled outside of my AoE range.

Nice for you if you have 20 ping so no problems. Not so nice for those that are playing with much higher ping.

High ping is really not an excuse, I mean maybe if you are playing with 500 ms or something but outside of weird situations like that you never have to pause mid pack make sure you have aggro then move again. That stop and go action is a sign of a poor tank.

[dspguy]

How far do racecars get without their pit crew?

The pace car has nothing to do with the pit crew.