Playing an expansion as current content has been a lacklustre MMO experience

[Atelier-Bagur]

Obviously it wouldn't fix the job design, we're dealing with 2 separate problems here, boring job design and incredibly boring dungeon design, both stacking up in for example expert roulette to give a rather unsatisfying gameplay experience.

I understand but the solutions provided are still faulty. The only way they could keep it more engaging is to either revamp the combat system to be more akin to what it was before, back when weaknesses, and debuffs and TP judged your playstyle or to go with a more rogue-like experience for dungeons. The problem with these two is that both options wouldnt sit well with the majority of players; with more engaging and complex combat making some of the combat potentially more frustrating for casuals (as it was in the past back when we still had those old systems) or with dungeons having more paths to explore but with the optimized playerbase always going for the most optimal route, those choices wont matter (as seen with old Toto-rak despite being a maze, people always went the optimal way anyway).

[Deveryn]

the problem with giving those kind of choices is that as we all know with the community, people will find the most optimal route/strategy to go through so that choice might as well not even be there. And its because of this that forced the devs to respond in kind with how current design works. Its kinda sad, because one we cant fault the players here, but I also wouldnt fault the devs since honestly there's no actual point to the exploration in the old dungeon design we have now.

As one youtuber put it, people are optimizing the fun out it. Knowing this, they go for more of a visual feast in dungeons and leave the more complex stuff to Extreme / Savage.

[Magikazam]

Everyone and the drovers dog knows why 1.0 was a complete disaster.

We all know and acknowledge that 1.0 to 2.0 was a HUGE gamble that paid off. Had it not, SE might never have recovered. 2.0 WAS NECESSARY to save the game as whole..or are you of the delusion that it was sustainable?

It wasnt. 1.0 was broken beyond repair. Dont try and pretend otherwise.



That list says otherwise.



It was a huge swathe of content that literally evaporated forever. And the legendary ring in WOD, and the Old Seer, and a huge list of other content that was just wiped from existence because FOMO.



There is no comparison between WoW's Cata and FF 14 2.0.

Cata fixed what wasnt broken, and created a huge list of other problems. Camp Taurajo ring a bell?

Lastly dont talk to me about ARR, I did it pre and post changes, quite frankly the game is better. The feast questline?

UGH.

The copium making you ignore reality or something? Dosen't matter if 1.0 was bad. we can't do it content tooday, and that mean you miss all the Story in it. It even more of a problem when 2.0 assume you do know the story and sometime leave you in the dark. Fr you have to wait till ShB for them to show you how Minfilia meet Thancred.

You just change narrative as soon as it fit your ''WoW bad argument''. You didn't love 1.0 content? They still removed it. You complain about removed content all the time. 1.0 is removed content. But sudently it not an issue cause ''FFXIV good therefore they get a pass''

[Magikazam]

SAM is fine. Healers ... sometimes cause disbands for memeing too hard.

Idk people complain to get Kaiten back, Yet Dev never adressed this issues, despite the fact they ''probe forum for feedback.''

Healer complain cause their roles just ain't designed in a way that fit with the rest of the game. People also complain that they got stripped of their class personality.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Idk people complain to get Kaiten back, Yet Dev never adressed this issues, despite the fact they ''probe forum for feedback.''

Healer complain cause their roles just ain't designed in a way that fit with the rest of the game. People also complain that they got stripped of their class personality.

There's also the possibility that they dont just listen to everything people say here. Of course if a problem is very, very, VERY bad that warrants attention then that will be something they will work into. But stuff like Kaiten and healers as much as we meme on it (as a Kaiten lover myself) unless its something that just completely breaks the whole system then they'll most likely not care about resolving it. Its kinda how feedback works really, you dont just do what everybody tells you to do, you take whatever feedback given to fit to work with the intended design.

[R041]

There's also the possibility that they dont just listen to everything people say here. Of course if a problem is very, very, VERY bad that warrants attention then that will be something they will work into. But stuff like Kaiten and healers as much as we meme on it (as a Kaiten lover myself) unless its something that just completely breaks the whole system then they'll most likely not care about resolving it. Its kinda how feedback works really, you dont just do what everybody tells you to do, you take whatever feedback given to fit to work with the intended design.

You mean like how everyone's been complaining about other players having an easy access to actively stalk and harass others? Use stuff like a wedding ring after the 'divorce', or add them as a friend and know where they are and teleport to their estate even after they're blocked?

That's been a thing forever, we see massive threads about it constantly still to this day, yet nothing done and barely any discussion about it.

[Atelier-Bagur]

You mean like how everyone's been complaining about other players having an easy access to actively stalk and harass others? Use stuff like a wedding ring after the 'divorce', or add them as a friend and know where they are and teleport to their estate even after they're blocked?

That's been a thing forever, we see massive threads about it constantly still to this day, yet nothing done and barely any discussion about it.

Unless its actually how you're saying it as these topics being flooded in the forums daily (looks at current forum topics). People need to make more noise apparently.

[Magikazam]

Unless its actually how you're saying it as these topics being flooded in the forums daily (looks at current forum topics). People need to make more noise apparently.

Or, you know, Dev probably don't look on Forum a lot, if at all. Even things on JP boards are ignored by dev. Even WoW who has out of touch dev still have mods that awnser to people on the forum to show that specific issues will be worked on or not.

[R041]

Unless its actually how you're saying it as these topics being flooded in the forums daily (looks at current forum topics). People need to make more noise apparently.

I didn't say daily, don't put words in my mouth. But it's definitely a hot topic. It's an exhausted issue, and of course it's going to slow down after 8 years of frustration. Because we know they don't listen to us.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I didn't say daily, don't put words in my mouth. But it's definitely a hot topic. It's an exhausted issue, and of course it's going to slow down after 8 years of frustration. Because we know they don't listen to us.

And that there is the issue. If people just "give up" and not actually go out of their way to spread the word and constantly make noise, how in the hells are you going to expect the development team to take this issue seriously? And before you make another smart comment, yes obviously harrasment is a serious offense but if not many people talk about it, then its less likely it'll ever get the attention it deserves. There's a priority system at work here and if we dont make certain topics as top priority as folk wants to make them then yeah good luck seeing those changes happen in like...5 years from now or so at best.