Houses should have a monthly fee

[UkcsAlias]

The problem with this is it punishes a very small portion of players. Multihouse ownership is impossible for personal housing anymore and the number of people who own more than one house is infinitesimal at this point and shrinking further over time naturally via attrition. And most of those people own, at most, one extra personal house.

Those numbers i obviously dont know, and i do agree its not the real issue. Its those that use several accounts for ward takeovers that are a real problem, as thats a lot more for griefing purposes.

Hence i still stand to my point here, tax isnt going to fix the issue. I was just stating that it can be a way to limit those people, but its unlikely anyone is going to get near that state where it will start to realy push them into getting rid of a house (when stocked at 5b gil, even spending 20m per month is going to take 250 months to deplete, at which point the housing crisis should be fixed long ago - if the game is even running at all).

[Jojoya]

Now consider a player that has all the DoL and DoH at level 0 (yes, they arent unlocked!).

And yes, they can be a more dedicated player than one who has all dol/doh at 90. But they arent going to make money this fast. Sure, their houses might have less decorations, but so what? It can be part of their enjoyment to have a very slow build of up decorations. Asking those people to now level up those classes to make more gil is still just a grind (and one they arent likely to do when the odds for a house are horrible).

A gil tax on houses is just bad.

Also, his suggestion also includes 1m for large plots, and while its unlikely to get one. Those who get one shouldnt be forced into a grind.

1 million on a large is a trivial amount compared to the wealth that players who own larges generate that allowed them to afford the large in the first place. They're still not going to consider it a grind.

[Themarvin]

Those numbers i obviously dont know, and i do agree its not the real issue. Its those that use several accounts for ward takeovers that are a real problem, as thats a lot more for griefing purposes.

Hence i still stand to my point here, tax isnt going to fix the issue. I was just stating that it can be a way to limit those people, but its unlikely anyone is going to get near that state where it will start to realy push them into getting rid of a house (when stocked at 5b gil, even spending 20m per month is going to take 250 months to deplete, at which point the housing crisis should be fixed long ago - if the game is even running at all).

You don't need several accounts to snatch a FC house on each server, just one account.... people that actually pay for 30 accounts should have the same rights as one thay pay for one account.

[Shibi]

people that actually pay for 30 accounts should have the same rights as one thay pay for one account.

Ah, you are back! I was worried, over the last few days. I had thought someone had kidnapped you and subbed in a more reasonable doppleganger.

[HeyMcFly]

We already pay money to play the game- the house was originally tied to the sub- currently, the timers are off

Don't punish the players for a poor system built by the FFXIV team

Ask the XIV to improve it rather than gate keep it even further which is what the the main topic of the thread is suggesting

I get people are tired of how crappy it is trying to get a house, let alone how horrible the decorating system is once you get a house
But stop punching down

[ForteNightshade]

Isn't this too expensive?
Not really, in my opinion. A small house owner would only have to pay about 300k a month, which is an insignificant amount, while a medium house owner would have to pay about 1.7 mil, and a large house owner would have to pay 5 mil. This is not unreasonable considering the category of those houses. Any active player that can afford a medium house should be able to make at least 1.7 million gil in one month, a large FC could easily collect enough donations for their 5 mil fee.

Using myself as an example, I'll show why a rental fee does absolutely nothing towards the people its intended to target.

I have approximately 400M gill. 20.4M is 5% of my entire gil count. Do you honestly think I'd even notice that fee? I can make 20M simply flipping Unreal mounts or during first week even patches. In other words, for someone in my position, it's a drop in the bucket. Gil has almost no value in this game. Adding fees won't impact players with hundreds of millions or billions. A good chunk of people stay subbed just to keep their houses. That's actual money they're spending just to keep pixels they don't use. Meanwhile, newer players getting their first house won't have anywhere near that kind of money, and will likely have to give up a house they could have waited years to get.

A rental fee only hurts players who aren't exceedingly wealthy.

[DeNada]

Using myself as an example, I'll show why a rental fee does absolutely nothing towards the people its intended to target.

I have approximately 400M gill. 20.4M is 5% of my entire gil count. Do you honestly think I'd even notice that fee? I can make 20M simply flipping Unreal mounts or during first week even patches. In other words, for someone in my position, it's a drop in the bucket. Gil has almost no value in this game. Adding fees won't impact players with hundreds of millions or billions. A good chunk of people stay subbed just to keep their houses. That's actual money they're spending just to keep pixels they don't use. Meanwhile, newer players getting their first house won't have anywhere near that kind of money, and will likely have to give up a house they could have waited years to get.

A rental fee only hurts players who aren't exceedingly wealthy.

Agreed that the original suggested tax value is too low but could still impact significantly on casual players who only own one plot.

Instead of that, how about exempting housing tax from players who only own 1 personal and 1 FC plot per world as intended by SE own words as I quote "
You may only purchase and maintain one private plot and one free company plot per World per service account".

For any additional plots owned above this limit, they should be heavily taxed at let's say 50% of original plot value per month. That way, it's up to the hoarders to rethink if it's still worth the coat to hoard houses or relinquish them and get back it's original value up to a certain deadline.

[Shibi]

they should be heavily taxed at let's say 50% of original plot value per month.

It's really not targeted enough. We need to be working on freeing up houses on the busiest server while rewarding people to move to lesser populated ones.

How about on those servers where apartments have run out all houses are taxed at 200% of purchase price per month.
And on servers where there are more than 100 empty plots people are paid a stipend of 200% of purchase price per month.

[LaylaTsarra]

How about on those servers where apartments have run out all houses are taxed at 200% of purchase price per month.
And on servers where there are more than 100 empty plots people are paid a stipend of 200% of purchase price per month.

Yes yes please Shibi you're my idol love this perfect.

My favorite though was putting up all housing for auction every 30 days but this is close real close.

[Solarra]

Or how about we stop asking for band-aids (rent, timers, lottery etc) and ask the devs to actually fix the housing system?

I'm amazed at how we've become used to a housing system that is inflexible, cannot cope with large influxes of players and cannot provide enough houses on busy servers. We need to stop accepting this is normal. It's not. Other games manage housing better, there is no reason why player housing in FFXIV has to be the way it is besides sunk-cost fallacy and disinterest from the devs.
While the community is prepared to accept quick fixes that simply throw up a whole new set of issues, that's all we are going to get. Housing doesn't need rent, it needs an overhaul.