Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[Reclusegamer]

I had a moment in Expert Roulette today. The Fell Court of Troia. Had a SMN, RPR, and WAR. The WAR had so much healing that they just kept on using Nascent Flash on me and I didn't need to heal jack squat. I felt terrible. I felt useless. I wanted to literally get out of there asap. All I did was DoT and spam my AoE, or spam my single target attack during boss.
The party members cheered on how fast the run was. I was literally dying inside on how useless I felt as a healer. I had the urge to just quit the dungeon midway because I really didn't need to cast a single heal at all, other than feeling like I'm pretending to do something with my role. I felt like a leech to this party. I usually just brush this feeling off and telling myself this is normal due to gear ilvls, but when the WAR starts using Nascent Flash on me even when everyone was topped off... burning their cds for no apparent reason... and I still didn't need to heal.. it felt disgusting.
I felt disgusting.
I don't ever want to touch Expert Roulette as a healer ever again. I need to take a break from the role.

Playing with warriors as your tank at endgame with WHM and AST can feel that way but remember healers contribute dps as well so no you were not useless at all, even if that two button rotation is all you(more appropriately, healers.) have.

Might I recommend taking Scholar and Sage for a spin? Those classes basically slap shields on your teammates regardless of how much health they have and shields always break before HP loss. In a situation like that, Sage would be more fun because you put "Eukrasis Diagnosis" shield or (however its spelled) on the tank, the shield pops, gives you an addersting, and then spend the addersting on an aoe attack called "Toxicon"
The playing mentality is different for shield healers because you must preshield your teammates before mechanics, raidwide aoes, and tankbusters resolve.

So all these boss fights you're familiar with, go back and play them all on Scholar and Sage. It's an interesting experience.

[IDontPetLalas]

Playing with warriors as your tank at endgame with WHM and AST can feel that way but remember healers contribute dps as well so no you were not useless at all, even if that two button rotation is all you(more appropriately, healers.) have.

Might I recommend taking Scholar and Sage for a spin? Those classes basically slap shields on your teammates regardless of how much health they have and shields always break before HP loss. In a situation like that, Sage would be more fun because you put "Eukrasis Diagnosis" shield or (however its spelled) on the tank, the shield pops, gives you an addersting, and then spend the addersting on an aoe attack called "Toxicon"
The playing mentality is different for shield healers because you must preshield your teammates before mechanics, raidwide aoes, and tankbusters resolve.

So all these boss fights you're familiar with, go back and play them all on Scholar and Sage. It's an interesting experience.

Agreed that you will preshield as a sage, However you will still be spamming dosis for a very large part of the run. There isn't much difference really, and if anything some people find selecting cards makes it a small amount more interesting, but all healers likely are reduced to spamming a couple of DPS skills and using a few OGCDs when there is a competent WAR.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

A freestyler SAM and Diagnosis-bot in Dohn Mheg. My alt on her BRD probably groaned as many as she casted Quick Nock in that 29 minute run. On the bright side, I think Shadowbite proc'ed like crazy too...or maybe that's just because I nocked too quickly...

[...]I don't ever want to touch Expert Roulette as a healer ever again. I need to take a break from the role.

I will never get bored of repeating this: we're only there because Duty Finder says we have to be in order to start the roulette.

Might I recommend taking Scholar and Sage for a spin? Those classes basically slap shields on your teammates regardless of how much health they have and shields always break before HP loss. In a situation like that, Sage would be more fun because you put "Eukrasis Diagnosis" shield or (however its spelled) on the tank, the shield pops, gives you an addersting, and then spend the addersting on an aoe attack called "Toxicon"
The playing mentality is different for shield healers because you must preshield your teammates before mechanics, raidwide aoes, and tankbusters resolve.

So all these boss fights you're familiar with, go back and play them all on Scholar and Sage. It's an interesting experience.

Unfortunately, that 'playing mentality' isn't going to differ between regen vs barrier healers. While pre-shielding is a thing, outside that specific situation they are generally going to avoid casting their GCD heals/shields as it is their last line of defense. Majority of those GCDs are filled by being pseudo, weaker DPS. This doesn't even need a competent WAR to see it happening. Take any 3 other players that's competent enough to not stand in bad (or at least try not to), then suddenly none of those GCD heals are needed.

[NekoMataMata]

I had a moment in Expert Roulette today. The Fell Court of Troia. Had a SMN, RPR, and WAR. The WAR had so much healing that they just kept on using Nascent Flash on me and I didn't need to heal jack squat. I felt terrible. I felt useless. I wanted to literally get out of there asap. All I did was DoT and spam my AoE, or spam my single target attack during boss.
The party members cheered on how fast the run was. I was literally dying inside on how useless I felt as a healer. I had the urge to just quit the dungeon midway because I really didn't need to cast a single heal at all, other than feeling like I'm pretending to do something with my role. I felt like a leech to this party. I usually just brush this feeling off and telling myself this is normal due to gear ilvls, but when the WAR starts using Nascent Flash on me even when everyone was topped off... burning their cds for no apparent reason... and I still didn't need to heal.. it felt disgusting.
I felt disgusting.
I don't ever want to touch Expert Roulette as a healer ever again. I need to take a break from the role.

People always groan about this, but I bet they've never run into the WARs that don't know how to properly use their kit.

Or to add to this, they've also probably never had the misfortune to run into DPS that take forever to clear trash, or healers that are incapable of doing any dps at all.

[Deveryn]

People always groan about this, but I bet they've never run into the WARs that don't know how to properly use their kit.

Or to add to this, they've also probably never had the misfortune to run into DPS that take forever to clear trash, or healers that are incapable of doing any dps at all.

I've run into all of this. I never know what I'm going to run into, so I'm grateful for those times when I can chill and do a basic rotation.

[Lunaxia]

People always groan about this, but I bet they've never run into the WARs that don't know how to properly use their kit.

Or to add to this, they've also probably never had the misfortune to run into DPS that take forever to clear trash, or healers that are incapable of doing any dps at all.

Uh, I'd wager they've probably come across all of those, as most of us with any experience in the game have at some point, but burning through mobs a little more quickly isn't much comfort when another job has been optimised so "well" it makes your own more or less redundant.

[Zebraoracle]

Uh, I'd wager they've probably come across all of those, as most of us with any experience in the game have at some point, but burning through mobs a little more quickly isn't much comfort when another job has been optimised so "well" it makes your own more or less redundant.

Correct. When my group does experts, we queue with three DPS and a tank because a healer just isn't needed. As a healer main, that freaking sucks. Having job design as such that optimized gameplay/gear makes me unnecessary is really frustrating. It's not just WAR either, I've had to solo the final boss of Troia twice, from like 20% or so, at literally no risk to myself as GNB. A boss in current content shouldn't be so unthreatening that an entire roll can be removed at no risk to the party. It's honestly an extension of the current situation around healers in general.

[Lunaxia]

Correct. When my group does experts, we queue with three DPS and a tank because a healer just isn't needed. As a healer main, that freaking sucks. Having job design as such that optimized gameplay/gear makes me unnecessary is really frustrating. It's not just WAR either, I've had to solo the final boss of Troia twice, from like 20% or so, at literally no risk to myself as GNB. A boss in current content shouldn't be so unthreatening that an entire roll can be removed at no risk to the party. It's honestly an extension of the current situation around healers in general.

It's very disheartening, and unfortunately as a WHM main I've just come to accept that feeling clunky and obsolete is often a part of the experience. Had SE not turned my other class into a My First Caster experience, which actually manages to outdo the tedium of being relegated to a glorified Stone/ Glare Mage in most content, I likely wouldn't even bother. But ironically, since the oversimplification and homogenisation of the other classes, the unpredictability healing at least offers is the only place I can find any potential fun in the game anymore.

[Curisu]

Correct. When my group does experts, we queue with three DPS and a tank because a healer just isn't needed. As a healer main, that freaking sucks. Having job design as such that optimized gameplay/gear makes me unnecessary is really frustrating. It's not just WAR either, I've had to solo the final boss of Troia twice, from like 20% or so, at literally no risk to myself as GNB. A boss in current content shouldn't be so unthreatening that an entire roll can be removed at no risk to the party. It's honestly an extension of the current situation around healers in general.

But on the other side you get in DF expert where the healer has a 100% regen uptime and demand's smaller pulls because he can not keep the tank alive with cure1 while the tank is not using CDs, standing in avoidable DMG and the other DPS is single target attacking.

Yea, I left that group after a wipe at the first boss and never entered as a DPS again.

[Liam_Harper]

The WAR had so much healing that they just kept on using Nascent Flash on me and I didn't need to heal jack squat. I felt terrible. I felt useless. I wanted to literally get out of there asap. All I did was DoT and spam my AoE, or spam my single target attack during boss.

It's not even WAR. Any good tank barely needs healing in Troia.

As a Sage my favorite Expert runs are 1 healer and 3 dps. You can still wall pull and do quite a good bit of dps with no tank at all, but at least you need to press heal buttons. Other fun games are when our dps like to see if they can keep full uptime on the DoT from the wall on the last boss, or stacking 4 spread markers together. Needless to say, Troia is a joke.