When do you think they'll add cross-region data center travel? OCE is screwed!

[kaynide]

..the traffic would be both ways. or did you forget that.

Who would willingly travel to a datacenter that has both longer queues and worse ping?

It's a legit problem, and data center travel just really isn't a good way to go about it.

Rather, SE could easily just say "Hey, move to OCE server, and set up your account with an OCE credit card/bank to pay and we'll give you 3 months free"

Not enough? Give 6 months free with purchase valid through 2023. You'd get people coming to save money, you'd get people telling their friends "hey just try it, you get 6 months of sub free!", and if even 20% of those people who try it stick, well, that's people.

That's the core issue- SE needs to entice people to populate these servers. The current 1 million gil nonsense is a non-starter.

[Iscah]

Rather, SE could easily just say "Hey, move to OCE server, and set up your account with an OCE credit card/bank to pay and we'll give you 3 months free"

Not enough? Give 6 months free with purchase valid through 2023. You'd get people coming to save money, you'd get people telling their friends "hey just try it, you get 6 months of sub free!", and if even 20% of those people who try it stick, well, that's people.

It sounds like a good idea on the surface, but there's a big catch: people can have multiple characters and (if it's even technically possible) walling people off from any characters not moved to the new DC would be unfair, while letting them continue to play all characters could mean they just park a disused alt on the bonus server and keep playing elsewhere.

[kaynide]

It sounds like a good idea on the surface, but there's a big catch: people can have multiple characters and (if it's even technically possible) walling people off from any characters not moved to the new DC would be unfair, while letting them continue to play all characters could mean they just park a disused alt on the bonus server and keep playing elsewhere.

This is true and would need some kind of work to improve. I don’t really know what that is, but it could be a requirement of playtime in exchange for the sub waiver. Or their characters must exclusively be on OCE (which I don’t like). Some way to ensure the bulk of playtime is on OCE characters, or at least enough to promote others to play there.

Whatever the case, it should only reward those putting effort into playing on OCE, but also not penalize those who are happy on another server. (Eg. no weird throttling to make ping impossible for OCE players outside of OCE servers)

[VelKallor]

Who would willingly travel to a datacenter that has both longer queues and worse ping?

It's a legit problem, and data center travel just really isn't a good way to go about it.

Rather, SE could easily just say "Hey, move to OCE server, and set up your account with an OCE credit card/bank to pay and we'll give you 3 months free"

Not enough? Give 6 months free with purchase valid through 2023. You'd get people coming to save money, you'd get people telling their friends "hey just try it, you get 6 months of sub free!", and if even 20% of those people who try it stick, well, that's people.

That's the core issue- SE needs to entice people to populate these servers. The current 1 million gil nonsense is a non-starter.

Ideally, cross region DC travel JP - OCE would work, as there have to be thousands of players who want to play on OCE but dont want to leave their current communities. I am well aware of the issues, but to keep OCE viable, which is a MUST, it may have to be the only option. The advantage of them is the improved latency, without the need to move permanently.

Allowing NA - OC or EU - OCE travel but locking off JP...I dont know if that can even be done.

I know JP isnt too hot on the idea, but at the same time, there is a much wider issue to be addressed. Its a balancing act, I know.

We also CANNOT make a hedged bet on 7.0 improving the situation, as there is no gaurantee it will change population numbers on a long term basis.

[kaynide]

Ideally, cross region DC travel JP - OCE would work, as there have to be thousands of players who want to play on OCE but dont want to leave their current communities. I am well aware of the issues, but to keep OCE viable, which is a MUST, it may have to be the only option. The advantage of them is the improved latency, without the need to move permanently.

Allowing NA - OC or EU - OCE travel but locking off JP...I dont know if that can even be done.

I know JP isnt too hot on the idea, but at the same time, there is a much wider issue to be addressed. Its a balancing act, I know.

We also CANNOT make a hedged bet on 7.0 improving the situation, as there is no gaurantee it will change population numbers on a long term basis.

The problem is it’s not just a simple thing to allow international movement. With DC travel, everything moves in house, from one stack to another mere feet from each other IRL.

Doing transfers from one cluster to another in another country requires new infrastructure. We are talking transfers from SE cluster to another SE cluster in another country, using their bandwidth and their internet connections.

OCE isn’t that old. If you hate it and can’t be patient, don’t play on it…pretty simple. Asking for bandaid solutions isn’t going to fix it, isn’t going to encourage growth, and doesn’t address the actual issue of retaining/recruiting players to the DC.

To be clear, you are complaining that a server, which is about a month old, is not as populated as established servers during the absolute dead zone of the expansion’s lifecycle. If it’s still like this at the same point in 7.0 then sure, we have a problem. Right now, the sky is decidedly NOT falling.

[Myrany]

The problem is it’s not just a simple thing to allow international movement. With DC travel, everything moves in house, from one stack to another mere feet from each other IRL.

Doing transfers from one cluster to another in another country requires new infrastructure. We are talking transfers from SE cluster to another SE cluster in another country, using their bandwidth and their internet connections.

OCE isn’t that old. If you hate it and can’t be patient, don’t play on it…pretty simple. Asking for bandaid solutions isn’t going to fix it, isn’t going to encourage growth, and doesn’t address the actual issue of retaining/recruiting players to the DC.

To be clear, you are complaining that a server, which is about a month old, is not as populated as established servers during the absolute dead zone of the expansion’s lifecycle. If it’s still like this at the same point in 7.0 then sure, we have a problem. Right now, the sky is decidedly NOT falling.

OCE is more than a month old. Several months more than a month old.

Now if you are referring to Dynamis then I rather agree that it isn't as dead as some people think it is. Dynamis will without a doubt improve over time and with 7.0.

[kaynide]

OCE is more than a month old. Several months more than a month old.

Now if you are referring to Dynamis then I rather agree that it isn't as dead as some people think it is. Dynamis will without a doubt improve over time and with 7.0.

I apologize there; got them confused. Regardless, I would say if either is still where it is a few months into 7.0, then we have an issue.

[LianaThorne]

I apologize there; got them confused. Regardless, I would say if either is still where it is a few months into 7.0, then we have an issue.

Materia has been opened for almost a year and should be worried about more than Dynamis. Dynamis will be fine regardless of whether or not people pack in because we have cross-DC and people will get their queues solved in the end. Materia doesn't have that option and barely enough pop to be comparable to Dynamis, even after only a month. The issue is in Materia only and should be focused on rather than worrying about Dynamis because we dont have a packed Limsa in every server.

[LaylaTsarra]

I apologize there; got them confused. Regardless, I would say if either is still where it is a few months into 7.0, then we have an issue.

7.0 is going to be in 2024 so it's more than a few months. xpac will not release before the Fan Fests are over and the last one is scheduled early 2024.

https://fanfest.finalfantasyxiv.com/

[kaynide]

7.0 is going to be in 2024 so it's more than a few months. xpac will not release before the Fan Fests are over and the last one is scheduled early 2024.

https://fanfest.finalfantasyxiv.com/

I said “a few months into 7.0”, not “in a few months”.

As in, 3-4 months after 7.0 launches…whenever that is.

Apologies if my wording was confusing- no snark intended in this response!