Let's talk about Alliance roulette and ilvl cheese for a sec.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

You don't know how duty finder works, do you?

You’re right. I don’t quite know everything about it.

What I do know is guildhest roulette couldn’t work properly partly because the discrepancies between 4-man vs 8-man guildhests & how DF will almost always prioritize forming a group. Henceforth to get 8 mans to pop, people literally had to force it by queueing with 2 tank/healer, or 3 dps. Mentor Roulette on the other hand doesn’t seem to have that issue because folks could be thrown into just about any duties in the game so long there’s a viable slot to be filled in exchange to having party queues disabled. What I was trying to convey is to turn MSR into “Pseudo Mentor but only CM, Porta, Prae, or CT Raid without party queue.”. New folks who need it for their MSQ can keep their smooth progress, folks who need it for relics can just manually queue them & still get it to pop just fine. The downside being.. obviously there are less roulettes available daily. Then again we've also just received lv90 roulette quite recently.

Is that even possible? Who knows, I’m throwing out the idea. I’m more than welcome if you know better to correct me.

[Atelier-Bagur]

nono, I got CT with someone who was stark naked, there was no newcomer. No one was in cutscene, there was no such prompt on the chat saying "Someone's new to the instance!". But someone was naked and then their HP bar miraculously grew.

So if it's such a placebo effect, where's the proof that it is indeed placebo? Because I'm willing to agree that there is no evidence that that person caused the instance to be CT, odds are I just happened to queue for it on a roulette, so it's RNG, thus there's no proof that the person caused it
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But then I ask, okay but where is the proof that the person didn't cause it?

And here's the thing. If you think about it, odds are that's just how the roulette works and people who lower their item level get queued at random for instances that they can run, without dragging others in like it's assumed. Something I'm 75% sure happens. However, there's no confirmation that that's the case either, and that's what bothers me. Because if there's an exploit, then that should be looked into, and not blindly ignore it because "Well, odds are it isn't".

If there's evidence for it, then yay. Because so far we've only been relying on he-said, she-saw. Not actual code nor confirmation.

And that's the issue. Assuming this is indeed all paranoia, there isn't much to quell it. Which is why you see these threads constantly happening. I'm willing to admit it's probably not real, but I also don't have any convincing evidence to show me otherwise. Thus I assume it's real. Not "guilty until proven otherwise", but more the idea of "Okay, well... I'm willing to accept it might not be much, but are you sure it's not an exploit?"
And being told to shut up and accept it isn't answering that question. Hence, again, why these threads keep popping up.

If you're going to start acting paranoid of it, then I dont know what to tell you. Just that its a terrible mentality to have with people.

I dislike CT raids as much as the next guy but you dont see me crying about it thinking somebody decided to change their gears at the last minute. Being paranoid about such a thing is never good and it just comes off as annoying. Its pointless conjecture and honestly this topic ticks me off so hard because it just proves how much people like to nitpick about every stupid little thing.

Seriously who cares!

[NekoMataMata]

They should rework all 3 CT raids into 4 person duties and stick them in MSQ.

Then they should make a new set of alliance raids for the level 50 tier.

[Deveryn]

nono, I got CT with someone who was stark naked, there was no newcomer. No one was in cutscene, there was no such prompt on the chat saying "Someone's new to the instance!". But someone was naked and then their HP bar miraculously grew.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find enough examples of that to make a case for the alleged prevalence of this activity and its effect on roulettes. You can't even tell if everyone else present has all alliances unlocked. Something else that's been overlooked is that people will likely queue CT directly if it comes up on Wondrous Tails.

And that's the issue. Assuming this is indeed all paranoia, there isn't much to quell it. Which is why you see these threads constantly happening. I'm willing to admit it's probably not real, but I also don't have any convincing evidence to show me otherwise. Thus I assume it's real. Not "guilty until proven otherwise", but more the idea of "Okay, well... I'm willing to accept it might not be much, but are you sure it's not an exploit?"
And being told to shut up and accept it isn't answering that question. Hence, again, why these threads keep popping up.

Alliance roulette only offers two things of value, tomes and xp. Trying to raise hell over an easily avoidable situation with a variety of alternatives is going to come with responses like that.

I'll continue to push for a better solution that actually works for all parties. This idea of dumping it in MSQ roulette is inconsiderate of those that want to use that. It's also ridiculous to expect CT to ever fill on that.

And you know why threads like this continue to crop up?

Because it continues to be an issue.

More like y'all don't bother to check if there's an active thread. You have to come in and start a conversation and be the center of attention and demand something change instead of finding the one thread to support whatever idea.

[Fyrebrand]

Regardless of if people do this, Crystal Tower would still come up very frequently.

Since I don't want to keep repeating myself, I just recommend watching this video to understand how we would get Crystal Tower a lot even if nobody did this https://youtu.be/RCoooKmF6NU?t=760

^ This.

Crystal Tower raids are the only mandatory ones for MSQ. Not everybody has even bothered to unlock the other raids. Not everybody is max level, and of those that are, they're probably running Alliance Roulette on an alt job that is lower level than their main.

It's a roulette. If you get grouped with even one other person who only has CT unlocked or purposely queued for CT, you are doing CT, end of story. Yeah, the item level exploit sucks and I wish there were a good way to prevent it, but it is by far not among the top reasons why Crystal Tower is so common.

[magitekLuna]

SE need to fix this done how. All it do is killing any 24 Nan raids that's is not from the last patch.people some what rum the nier raids for the glams at last.

[Midareyukki]

I think you'd be hard pressed to find enough examples of that to make a case for the alleged prevalence of this activity and its effect on roulettes. You can't even tell if everyone else present has all alliances unlocked. Something else that's been overlooked is that people will likely queue CT directly if it comes up on Wondrous Tails.

True. And that's correct. That person likely stripped anyway to get into a CT raid, it doesn't mean they caused it.

Alliance roulette only offers two things of value, tomes and xp. Trying to raise hell over an easily avoidable situation with a variety of alternatives is going to come with responses like that.

I'll continue to push for a better solution that actually works for all parties. This idea of dumping it in MSQ roulette is inconsiderate of those that want to use that. It's also ridiculous to expect CT to ever fill on that.

Okay? First of all, and? I didn't mention CT being moved to MSQ roulette. At all. It doesn't take as long as Praetorium AND it's not a 4-man thing, so even if I did, I'd agree with you.

Not to mention what you just wrote has nothing to do with the quote?
I'm talking about how you guys saying "There's no exploit, shut up" without evidence as to whether or not there is. Like, someone asked someone else in this thread "You don't know how Duty Finder works, do you?". Well, I ask the same: Do you? If so, can you explain how it works? And do you have proof that what you're saying is what really happens?

:shrug: I'm not talking about Alliance Raids themselves nor the experience yield or anything. I already agreed with you about that in the other thread anyway.

I'm really not sure where you got that from. I agree on you on both topics :I

I just want people to actually state as much and provide proof if able. Because naturally people can't prove that the exploit is real: to do so would require statistics that at the end of the day don't mean anything. That, and you guys ask for evidence that it's real, but you don't provide anything in turn, you just trash talk OP.

[Helbya]

and as I keep trying to bring the thread back to point; this isn't about the CT raids or their status as being the boring undesired raids for a roulette. But about encouraging players to make themselves available to all content in a roulette so the system works as intended. Orbonne needs players to fill, Bunker needs players. And so people trying to actively run those raids end up with disproportionally long queue times as dozens of CT raids take the players that might've helped those parties fill.
So scale the rewards to the item level at queuing. People who aren't comfortable with the class at 70 can opt for fewer tomes/exp. People who want a quick 'n easy raid can get tomes befitting their effort. Ivalice, Nier, Myths need love too.

More like y'all don't bother to check if there's an active thread. You have to come in and start a conversation and be the center of attention and demand something change instead of finding the one thread to support whatever idea.

The search function is super janky. There's two threads in the last 6mo and this is one of 'em.

[Midareyukki]

The search function is super janky. There's two threads in the last 6mo and this is one of 'em.

I legit wanted to search for a thread. I remembered the title, or at least what the topic was. It didn't recognize it as real. Then I check my browser history and there it was. It didn't get deleted.

and as I keep trying to bring the thread back to point; this isn't about the CT raids or their status as being the boring undesired raids for a roulette. But about encouraging players to make themselves available to all content in a roulette so the system works as intended. Orbonne needs players to fill, Bunker needs players. And so people trying to actively run those raids end up with disproportionally long queue times as dozens of CT raids take the players that might've helped those parties fill.
So scale the rewards to the item level at queuing. People who aren't comfortable with the class at 70 can opt for fewer tomes/exp. People who want a quick 'n easy raid can get tomes befitting their effort. Ivalice, Nier, Myths need love too.

Alright, but that's a different topic entirely. It's got to do with how CT is handled and such. The exploit, if it exists, isn't the only detriment to that. And the only thing your title affects is the Roulette, hence why you have people here going ham on you.

Title is about "Roulette and ilvl cheese" the thread keeps getting derailed into CT popularity.
Then help me out here because I must be missing some steps; searching 'alliance' in post titles limited to threads in the last 6 months across all open forum turns up twelve threads, of which only two pertain to this topic.

You're lying, and lazy

Ok, first rule of the Forums, ignore the guy with the red hat, he's a troll from GameFAQs. If he writes anything, just ignore whatever comes out of it. He will never be gracious to you. Just to prove a point, he likely will reply to what I wrote with a snarky comment, because he simply cannot help himself.

And yeah. People keep derailing your thread for it... because, again: If there is an exploit, the only thing it affects is the Alliance Raid Roulette. There are plenty of other issues with CT, roulette included. If you want to make it a thread on those things, then sure. And there are other ways and incentives than the roulette to allow people to access other raids and alleviate the problem.

But don't open up with an unproven item level cheese exploit. You will garner no favours.

[FireMage]

The search function is super janky. There's two threads in the last 6mo and this is one of 'em.

You're lying, and lazy