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  1. #11
    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    The answer is none. BLU breaks the mold on the scripted content Yoshi P puts out which is why they keep it 2 expansions behind.

    BLU can play differently based on the situation whereas the other classes are boxed in to only really play one way.

    As a result the 19 limited jobs are boring while BLU is versatile and exposes the combat system for what it really is.

    The gatekeeping on PotD and Eureka is some funny ass shit considering some of BLU's BiS gear can only be obtained in Eureka.
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    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Firemage Li
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    Yes, the harm is allowing limited Jobs to even exist
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    Hashmael Lightswain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabalabob View Post
    That’s fair, skills like ultravibration that only effect enemies at or below the level of the BLU change the dynamic between how a BLU does current maps now and how they would do them if they were at max level cap. I still hold that open world maps are easy enough that you wouldn’t need to cheese it as a BLU and BLUs can’t enter portals which is where the important rewards are. But you do bring up a good point.
    What makes you think BLU can't enter map portals? They can. And that's what is referred to with BLU soloing maps with Basic Instinct. That skill only works in instanced content that would normally require a party, allowing BLU to solo instead. Map portals still require level syncing, so this gives BLU an advantage in soloing them. Some other jobs maybe technically can as well. Probably not all. But it's still more of a struggle.

    More to the point of the topic, though, it's still content that needs creating. Spells to create and balance within the kit. Quests to write, Carnival challenges, achievements, etc. Hell, they're probably already looking at spells and wondering what more they can do without totally breaking the system. Another batch of oGCD primal spells and we'll be struggling to decide what's worth keeping slotted.
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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    The gatekeeping on PotD and Eureka is some funny ass shit considering some of BLU's BiS gear can only be obtained in Eureka.
    That gatekeeping still shouldn't exist. Eureka was practically made for BLU considering the elemental strength/weakness system and the sheer amount of possible BLU magic that could be locked in it. They could easily lock BLU out of the wheel and just have it use its own elemental skills and buffs (some of which would be learned in Eureka itself) to survive. PotD is rather irrelevant content in the grand scheme of things, and I don't think anybody would really care if somebody cleared it on a BLU.
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    Corvo Aerden
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    I think the only real reason is because they don't have time to update BLU up to current level. They already ask us to wait for lvl 80 BLU, no way they can give us lvl 90 BLU.

    As for the harm, I don't think it'll harm anything. Like you said, they can easily lock extreme and savage out from BLU.
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  6. #16
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    Maetimoht Berkbraena
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabalabob View Post
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    I'd say the only reason they don't allow it is maybe they don't have quests written for it and abilities made. It is considered 'side content', I think. Maybe the people working on it feel that way too and get to it when permitted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    ...BLU at cap would more or less trivialize every other job in most situations.
    I'm honestly all for BLU being able to steam roll overworld, fates, etc. They could keep it out of current savage/extreme/unreal tiers and all ultimates and I'd be fine with that too. After a while, content kind of loses it's value and some measure of enjoyment can be reacquired by just stupid fun.
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    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Unless BLU can break the game(which it doesn't) I really see no reason to exclude it from content that meets it's own level and ilvl requirements. It is more then capable of doing MSQ(primarily solo content anyway) and everything up to Stormblood at lvl 70.

    Now if it broke the game as advertised and really was a solo job for all content I could see the reason for limitations.

    I think they keep it as is so they don't have to balance their content they put out.

    Their whole thing for 80 BLU of just wait a little longer when their last update was February 2nd 2021 and we are approaching the end of 2022 you are looking at almost 2 years of no updates on BLU. Even the potencies on their skills haven't been altered by the stat squish either. It's rather appalling they want you to wait 2 years or more for anything to happen.

    How long is a little longer? 6.5? 7.0?

    Some kind of roadmap would be nice. Or a statement of please wait a little longer and this is why instead of "Please understand small indie company. Island sanctuary glamour took all our resources."
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    The main reasons is dungeons and savage. Blu absolutely is the best DPS to bring in dungeons while the polar opposite is true in savage. And that's because how each is designed. Dungeons have mobs which aren't immune to everything and take a large portion of the run up. Savage is a boss immune to everything and are heavily scripted just so Blu isn't gonna break it.

    Please understand small indie dev team. Island sanctuary took all of their resources.
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    Vicious Zvahl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bsrking5 View Post
    The main reasons is dungeons and savage. Blu absolutely is the best DPS to bring in dungeons while the polar opposite is true in savage. And that's because how each is designed. Dungeons have mobs which aren't immune to everything and take a large portion of the run up. Savage is a boss immune to everything and are heavily scripted just so Blu isn't gonna break it.

    Please understand small indie dev team. Island sanctuary took all of their resources.
    BLU's DPS is absolutely amazing, regardless of the content. They don't even have an actual limit break, but deal enough DPS in the old savage they are allowed in that sync'd they can skip over half the fight. Once they added in Stormblood spells, BLU was capable of skipping Gavel in A8S, which no standard job comp could even dream of doing.

    On top of that, regardless of role, any BLU can heal and tank better than any actual job in slotted in said role. White Wind and Diamondback are game changers.

    But anyway, to answer OP - By raising BLU to the current level, they'd lose out on their easy out content lull stall. It's fairly likely they have 80 BLU spells ready to go, as well as 80 BLU quests, but they're saving them for a patch that's smaller than the rest to flesh out the patch. Part of limiting BLU is disguising it as its own content, which is half true. It will likely never catch up to current level for this reason alone.

    They gate out of content intended for normal jobs like Eureka and in the future Bozja because it would trivialize many challenges within that content (and they'd have to revisit and add immunity tags for every special BLU spell to all of those NMs as well).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    It that is unclear, later game includes anything within the current expansion pack; that is to say 80+.
    BLU wouldn’t be able to do anything in the current expansion pack, that’s what I’m getting at. The game has a built in rule “limited jobs allowed: yes/no” into all its duties, this rule is completely separate from lvl/ilvl requirements (BLU meets the requirements for Bahamut ultimate, eureka and PoTD but can’t do them for example), the devs can flip that switch the same way they can change duties to be done as unrestricted parties.

    In short, a BLU can be level 90 and still be locked out of 80+ content with the only exceptions being overworld content like FATEs/hunts/maps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hasrat View Post
    What makes you think BLU can't enter map portals? They can.
    I more meant that they CAN lock BLU out of current level portals. Admittedly it’s an assumption on my part that they’d be able to lock them out of current portals without locking them out of all portals, but I would imagine since the different levels of map use different instances in their portals they likely have their own rules.
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    Last edited by Cabalabob; 11-16-2022 at 08:55 AM.
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    You could make a game where all you did was run through fields of flowers holding hands and you'd still get a guy telling you you're doing it wrong.

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    Everyone knows you skip through fields of flowers holding hands, running noobs need to go back to WoW.

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