Would there be any harm in bringing limited jobs up to max level?

[Deveryn]

First off: Don't hold onto anything in anticipation of a job that may never show up. Whenever they announce it, you'll have plenty of time to gear up.

BLU at cap would more or less trivialize every other job in most situations.

[Cabalabob]

BLU at cap would more or less trivialize every other job in most situations.

And what situations are those? That’s the point. FATEs, Who cares? Hunts, Who cares? Maps? Any job can solo a map. Other than those, there’s no relevant content a BLU could trivialise that they can’t lock them out of regardless of level.

[Knot_D]

Maps? Any job can solo a map.

I... don't think some jobs can do the maps solo. It's level synced and only BLU can do "easily" with Basic Instinct...

Even on outside of the portal, you can just use Ram and Ultravibration and the mobs died immediately

[Cabalabob]

It’s more that BLU can find ways to cheese content.

That is to say, right here and now, they need bodies doing the non-free to play content trials dungeons etc. Especially the later-game content.

If even a small percent find a way to do that content with BLU, that is less people to support new adventurers.

In addition, with certain loopholes, content tends to be much easier to do with competent bluemages (see Aurum Vale for moogle-tome grinding). Which again, once that becomes widely known certain groups wanting clears are encouraged to employ those party makeups, negating work done by devs to balance it for standard play. And since being good at BLU requires some build work/thinking/effort gathering skills you open a door wide open for toxicity (omgwtf you don’t have Final Sting!?)

Secondly, it’s just additional work for the devs to do- skills and such need to be done, and probably the carnival thing would need new stages or it’d feel half-arsed. If you’re just talking straight levels this can be hand waved, but without a doubt expect 4 new threads complaining about it day 1.

Not sure I understand what you’re getting at. People can already do and cheese old content as BLU, why would any of that apply to BLU at 90 but not BLU at 80?

For adding more spells and carnivale, as you said they could purely raise the level cap and not bother with spells and carnivale til later when they’re ready. Or they could do spells and carnivale for 80 and 90 in one sitting to get it over with now and then in the long term BLU will be in exactly the same spot it’s in now but when they update it in future they’ll be updating it to current level cap instead of the level cap below.

I... don't think some jobs can do the maps solo. It's level synced and only BLU can do "easily" with Basic Instinct...

Even on outside of the portal, you can just use Ram and Ultravibration and the mobs died immediately

That’s fair, skills like ultravibration that only effect enemies at or below the level of the BLU change the dynamic between how a BLU does current maps now and how they would do them if they were at max level cap. I still hold that open world maps are easy enough that you wouldn’t need to cheese it as a BLU and BLUs can’t enter portals which is where the important rewards are. But you do bring up a good point.

What's the point of even having them at cap if they're going to be locked out of even more content? Why don't you go through all the stuff you left out? Dungeons, Trials, EX, Aliiance Raids, Normal Raids, Savage Raids.

I'll actually cover that last one. No one would even do a full group as the current tier. Who would ever go to a raid where 7 other people are rolling on the same piece, if it even drops?

The reason is simple, not having to hold 2 sets of gear for jobs, it’s bad enough having to hold 2 casting sets (3 right now as we wait for it to raise to 80 so I’m holding 70 gear for BLU, 80 gear for when it raises and 90 gear for current jobs) and that will increase down the line as more limited jobs are added for different roles. If they were all at level cap that is no longer an issue and limited jobs can be locked out of current dungeons, trials and raids regardless of level.

[Deveryn]

The reason is simple, not having to hold 2 sets of gear for jobs, it’s bad enough having to hold 2 casting sets (3 right now as we wait for it to raise to 80 so I’m holding 70 gear for BLU, 80 gear for when it raises and 90 gear for current jobs) and that will increase down the line as more limited jobs are added for different roles. If they were all at level cap that is no longer an issue and limited jobs can be locked out of current dungeons, trials and raids regardless of level.

All that for a few armoury slots. I'm maxed out and every tab in my armoury is half full with current gear. Stop expecting them to add more limited jobs.

Maybe next time don't be so misleading with your intro. This whole thing is pointless and thoughtless. If they're going to be locked out of even doing dungeon content, it's not worth the extra work to catch them up. They're easier to manage when they're simply kept an expansion behind.

Another thing you're not considering is the different meld priorities BLU has, so if you were to do anything besides, you'd need more gear anyway. It's easier to just get the final BiS of the previous expansion.

[kaynide]

Not sure I understand what you’re getting at. People can already do and cheese old content as BLU, why would any of that apply to BLU at 90 but not BLU at 80?

I’ll bold it for you:

It’s more that BLU can find ways to cheese content.

That is to say, right here and now, they need bodies doing the non-free to play content trials dungeons etc. Especially the later-game content.

If even a small percent find a way to do that content with BLU, that is less people to support new adventurers.

It that is unclear, later game includes anything within the current expansion pack; that is to say 80+.

[Hasrat]

That’s fair, skills like ultravibration that only effect enemies at or below the level of the BLU change the dynamic between how a BLU does current maps now and how they would do them if they were at max level cap. I still hold that open world maps are easy enough that you wouldn’t need to cheese it as a BLU and BLUs can’t enter portals which is where the important rewards are. But you do bring up a good point.

What makes you think BLU can't enter map portals? They can. And that's what is referred to with BLU soloing maps with Basic Instinct. That skill only works in instanced content that would normally require a party, allowing BLU to solo instead. Map portals still require level syncing, so this gives BLU an advantage in soloing them. Some other jobs maybe technically can as well. Probably not all. But it's still more of a struggle.

More to the point of the topic, though, it's still content that needs creating. Spells to create and balance within the kit. Quests to write, Carnival challenges, achievements, etc. Hell, they're probably already looking at spells and wondering what more they can do without totally breaking the system. Another batch of oGCD primal spells and we'll be struggling to decide what's worth keeping slotted.

[Cabalabob]

It that is unclear, later game includes anything within the current expansion pack; that is to say 80+.

BLU wouldn’t be able to do anything in the current expansion pack, that’s what I’m getting at. The game has a built in rule “limited jobs allowed: yes/no” into all its duties, this rule is completely separate from lvl/ilvl requirements (BLU meets the requirements for Bahamut ultimate, eureka and PoTD but can’t do them for example), the devs can flip that switch the same way they can change duties to be done as unrestricted parties.

In short, a BLU can be level 90 and still be locked out of 80+ content with the only exceptions being overworld content like FATEs/hunts/maps.

What makes you think BLU can't enter map portals? They can.

I more meant that they CAN lock BLU out of current level portals. Admittedly it’s an assumption on my part that they’d be able to lock them out of current portals without locking them out of all portals, but I would imagine since the different levels of map use different instances in their portals they likely have their own rules.

[Deveryn]

And what situations are those? That’s the point. FATEs, Who cares? Hunts, Who cares? Maps? Any job can solo a map. Other than those, there’s no relevant content a BLU could trivialise that they can’t lock them out of regardless of level.

What's the point of even having them at cap if they're going to be locked out of even more content? Why don't you go through all the stuff you left out? Dungeons, Trials, EX, Aliiance Raids, Normal Raids, Savage Raids.

I'll actually cover that last one. No one would even do a full group as the current tier. Who would ever go to a raid where 7 other people are rolling on the same piece, if it even drops?

[EnigmaticDodo]

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I'd say the only reason they don't allow it is maybe they don't have quests written for it and abilities made. It is considered 'side content', I think. Maybe the people working on it feel that way too and get to it when permitted.

...BLU at cap would more or less trivialize every other job in most situations.

I'm honestly all for BLU being able to steam roll overworld, fates, etc. They could keep it out of current savage/extreme/unreal tiers and all ultimates and I'd be fine with that too. After a while, content kind of loses it's value and some measure of enjoyment can be reacquired by just stupid fun.