General Healer Discussion [The Echo Chamber]

[Azuri]

I mean it would shine by having more fun gameplay. RDM's gameplay is quite fun, but offers notably less DPS than BLM in exchange for Raise utility and a small amount of mitigation, but RDM players don't feel bad because all their good for is for when the party is "bad."

You can't look at utility as "well I guess all I'm good for is when other players are bad." You're exchanging DPS potential for clear security, which is extremely valuable and you should feel good about. You know how many times I've seen wipes or enrages in P7S because 3 or 4 people died during Famine's Harvest. Sure "Do the mechanics correctly" is what people should do, but the reality is they don't, and they wont.

Stop looking at raise utility as janitorial work and start looking at it for what it is: having the power to carry people through a mechanic that you can do when they can't. That's power, not weakness. It may not always be necessary, but sometimes value isn't about what you do, but what you can do, hense why RDM continues to see healthy play despite being a "prog job." It's used more than BLM is according to the evil website.

What a garbage take. And simply wrong. Ask any serious caster player - we would gladly wipe caster rez from existence. We would like to have the same balance in the role as every other role has - three comparable jobs. Not this prog caster vs BLM bullcrap.

You can shove your "you should feel good!" where the sun doesn't shine. Being good at scrubbing shitters off the floor and making people who don't deserve to clear clear isn't a fun identity. It's a joke.

[ty_taurus]

What a garbage take. And simply wrong. Ask any serious caster player - we would gladly wipe caster rez from existence. We would like to have the same balance in the role as every other role has - three comparable jobs. Not this prog caster vs BLM bullcrap.

You can shove your "you should feel good!" where the sun doesn't shine. Being good at scrubbing shitters off the floor and making people who don't deserve to clear clear isn't a fun identity. It's a joke.

Fine, give your raise to me then, I'll gladly accept raise utility on DNC. Didn't realize having the ability to carry was seen as a garbage take.

[Azuri]

Fine, give your raise to me then, I'll gladly accept raise utility on DNC. Didn't realize having the ability to carry was seen as a garbage take.

I wish. Plenty of MCHs and BRDs will also squeal with joy if DNC got a rez and complimentary 10% less damage. Although I doubt DNC would survive well if it approached DRK levels of dps.

Maybe combat rez should be an action you could take on any job. And which comes with that permanent 10% weakness. Then you can enjoy feeling great how well you carried Little Timmy to the clear after he failed every single mechanic. And I can play a job I enjoy without constantly dealing with this nagging feeling that I can be about 10% more useful if I played almost anything else.

[ty_taurus]

I wish. Plenty of MCHs and BRDs will also squeal with joy if DNC got a rez and complimentary 10% less damage. Although I doubt DNC would survive well if it approached DRK levels of dps.

Maybe combat rez should be an action you could take on any job. And which comes with that permanent 10% weakness. Then you can enjoy feeling great how well you carried Little Timmy to the clear after he failed every single mechanic. And I can play a job I enjoy without constantly dealing with this nagging feeling that I can be about 10% more useful if I played almost anything else.

Besides MCH who continues to get mistreated by the devs for no justifiable reason, DNC is already the lowest output DPS even after buffs.

Also, my heart goes out to all the SMNs and RDMs loosing their P8S party slot to BLM right now nearly 12 weeks after the release of this savage tier.

[MintnHoney]

Being good at scrubbing shitters off the floor and making people who don't deserve to clear clear isn't a fun identity.

Inadvertently describing the problem with healers in FFXIV.