Housing: Square Enix is failing to accomplish what Lord of The Rings Online did in 07

[AwesomeJr44]

I'm not avoiding anything, troll

I'm not caught up on my FireMage lore so perhaps I'm using outdated information when coming to this conclusion, but I'm fairly sure that Kyrj isn't the troll...

[Kaliesto]

Until Godzilla mentioned FireMage was from GameFAQs I didn't think this was the same person at first, FireMage why are you still acting like this after all these years? I happen to know you just a little from way back when, I left that site because the userbase and Admin/moderators was going into a downward trend and becoming very ugly and in some corners psychopathic. Its not the same GameFAQs I used to know, and I don't blame you if happen to leave for the same reason.

Now I don't recall you being this rude, sometimes you seemed alright when you wanted to be, but other times you got downright ugly for no reason as I recall from the FFX/X-2 HD board and people were getting real pissed at you.

I know we butted heads recently, but I just want to ask, but can you give people a chance? Really no reason to come into topics like a Machinist blazing from the hip, I don't get why you still do that after all this time.

[Deveryn]

Hmm... so access to the housing is what other games mess with. FF14 does the demolition timer because there isn't enough supply and there were too many hoarders back then. Do the other games have a limited supply as well?

It varies.

In the case of EQ1, it's actually similar to XIV where you have personal and guild districts, but they're a lot bigger. One house per character.
In EQ2, it's all instanced. You click a door at an inn or at a proper house to access the appropriate dwelling. The max is 20 per character.
I think it was mentioned that LotRO has limited supply.
WoW apparently has none (smart!)
FFXI only had a small room when I was playing. In fact, that's where I found myself when I logged in briefly during a free campaign.

As someone mentioned before, the core problem here is housing wasn't intended for personal use, but people really pushed for it. Everyone (players and devs alike) are stuck in this situation because there's no way to change the existing system safely. Because we have such detailed furniture, we're also stuck in these smaller quarters. (Beautiful bath, btw)

I think not-a-house-island was a good experiment for them. The feedback from that might help shape another alternative.

[DixieBellOCE]

Can you please log onto the most populated server on LOTRO and tell me how many houses there are on that server.

Less than 7200, that's for sure.

How many does XIV have per server? 7200.

Data takes up server space, and in this day and age, servers are NOT cheap.

Could always... delete Materia DC and repurpose those servers for housing, would be more useful XD

[rainichan]

I can't help but feel square enix wants housing to be limited. ...

I play LOTRO on and off. While I love the auto-generated wards and all, the con to having it is lowered housing slots, with certain housing items only going in a specified slot. I actually talked about it in another thread:

Fun fact, LOTRO's housing is neighbourhoods just like FFXIV. The only difference is that when one fills up, another one is automatically created. The downsides are that you have limited housing hooks and you can't place stuff freely, much less than what we have currently in our housing. SWTOR is instanced housing with a lot more space for things, which is nice. You can invite friends over as well by opening it up iirc; I haven't done much with the SWTOR housing yet beyond somehow get enough credits to get something lol.

For the record, the housing hooks (and what decorations look like outside of the decor placement menu) look like this. I have a small house, and our guild has a large house, both are limited in what you can do, and the descriptions of everything are visible, even when you can't use them - the only things usable are the kegs. Pros and Cons to both sides! FFXI has had instanced housing since the servers opened, everyone gets a Mog House upon creating a character where you can change jobs. They all are one size with two floors (smaller than a small in XIV) + upstairs porch and access to the Mog Garden from the house. I think the opening of the house was during Chains of Promathia or Aht Urgahn, and it was "make a party and invite them to your house" lol. Housing items were used for item storage because XI's inventory was sooooo bad - 30 slots total until you did quests to gain an additional 50 slots. They added more things that you could drop items into, but before it was just your bag, storage (which you can't access anywhere in the world and you have to be in your house to do so) and... that was it.

Anyway, I would love the idea if they could keep the current housing but just keep creating wards when one filled. I don't think they can because of how they programmed things and they'd need more server space to keep the current amount of housing items outside for each house size, but hopefully when they're able to upgrade the housing servers, they can do something like this or every other even-numbered patch add like, 5 more wards or something.

[FireMage]

Until Godzilla mentioned FireMage was from GameFAQs I didn't think this was the same person at first, FireMage why are you still acting like this after all these years? I happen to know you just a little from way back when, I left that site because the userbase and Admin/moderators was going into a downward trend and becoming very ugly and in some corners psychopathic. Its not the same GameFAQs I used to know, and I don't blame you if happen to leave for the same reason.

Now I don't recall you being this rude, sometimes you seemed alright when you wanted to be, but other times you got downright ugly for no reason as I recall from the FFX/X-2 HD board and people were getting real pissed at you.

I know we butted heads recently, but I just want to ask, but can you give people a chance? Really no reason to come into topics like a Machinist blazing from the hip, I don't get why you still do that after all this time.

You make it sound like I'm a problem. I'm not. Trolls deserve to have people be rude to them

[NekoMataMata]

I'm not caught up on my FireMage lore so perhaps I'm using outdated information when coming to this conclusion, but I'm fairly sure that Kyrj isn't the troll...

Because they're not. Even if FireMage was just using it earlier as a cheap way of saying "You disagree with me and are therefore wrong", it's gotten to the point where FireMage is actually the original definition of troll.

[FireMage]

Because they're not. Even if FireMage was just using it earlier as a cheap way of saying "You disagree with me and are therefore wrong", it's gotten to the point where FireMage is actually the original definition of troll.

Nope. Keyword: Intent. It's missing. See the OP defender tried to come for me, and I treated them the way they should be, like a bratty child

[Wolwosh]

Nope. Keyword: Intent. It's missing. See the OP defender tried to come for me, and I treated them the way they should be, like a bratty child

When someone critiques the game you think they are coming for you...
You seem to have very very thin skin and every conversation you insert yourself in turns unpleasant..

[Jokerz_93]

What really piss me off about housing is how the building system is...built.
>There are a tons of items, mostly of them you'll never use alone but more "merged" with other stuffs to create other stuffs.
This is good for creativity, ofc, but when you have a limited number of items you can place and you need to build, lets say, a door with at least 5 items, instead of having one single object as a "door", you find yuorself asking: why in the f*** hell is there not a stupid door in this game? Just an example, tho.

>Columns. They are ugly. You can't remove em. Instead, you have to cover them with partitions. And here other space gone wasted because we have to deal witht his ugly columns.
Housing has a different "skins" for the exterior, but for the interior nope. Mah.

But the really thing that is a f*** nonesense is the inability to move an obj on a Z axis (up and down), the inablity to free rotate an obj on all three axis and the inability to scale an obj down or up and MIRROR IT.

Housing is so limitated in the actions you can do that most of the ppl need to use exploits and glitches (which, by definition is something that is not working as intedend, which is not ToS friendly btw) to at least move objs up and down.

And, dulcis in fundus, after 5.x expac instead of working on an better system for the housing, SE prefered to build from scratch a stupid one-week-dead content (yep im talking to Island Sanctuary) so everyone could have "they own paradise".
That's good, exepect that this paradise is boring once you got the 10 level. And you need one week.