Housing: Square Enix is failing to accomplish what Lord of The Rings Online did in 07

[Midareyukki]

Was 100% with you up to the last 2 sentences Midareyukki. Not sure what the OPs opinion on millenials with avocado toast has to do with FFXIV's housing issues.

I didn't whip it out of my arse, that was what they wrote to me the last time I mentioned anything related to housing.

But that's a completely different topic anyway. I was talking about the financial cost that comes with the pressure of demolition, because it's counter-intuitive to the devs saying they are okay with players "taking a break". And it got taken out of context, because of course it did: that's not the full extent of my opinion on the matter, and it was referring to what I happened to misread from another player's comments on it. OP's reply, on the other hand, was about as obvious as a metal singer at a mime show.

I get it if people disagree with what I say and stuff like that. But that comment was just ridiculous. Though I suppose I am flattered OP thinks I'm that old :P

So I just can't take OP seriously for the life of me anymore. They were already accused of being a troll. Now I just can't think they have their head all there.

On this topic though? You can't compare LOTRO, sure. But the problems run deeper than just the framework. The design doesn't help. Hence demolition being there.

[Renalt]

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[AwesomeJr44]

Not to mention that in XIV everyone can get housing if they want, there are apartments. Yeah it's not really uh...big...but it is housing. If you want a personal room you can have a personal room. Wish they would upgrade these or let people upgrade them for gil tho, that way i think people would be much happier with the apartments.

I don't find the "just buy an apartment" argument to be very convincing due to how small they are. In their current state, they're just too small. But if they ever do add a way to upgrade them, then that would make apartments a viable alternative to actual housing.

[Midareyukki]

I don't find the "just buy an apartment" argument to be very convincing due to how small they are. In their current state, they're just too small. But if they ever do add a way to upgrade them, then that would make apartments a viable alternative to actual housing.

Exactly. Apartments aren't enough. They're a starting point to a solution, but they're nowhere near close to enough. There are freakishly large decorations, a wide amount of them too. As well as exterior decorations. An apartment is too small for that and it doesn't allow you to fully appreciate housing. At least, not in my opinion. Had apartments been expanded upon rather than simply dumping them into the game and called it at that, it'd be a different story. But they don't meet the system that they have in place. They're not a good replacement for the lack of a house. Nor can they satisfy the enjoyment needs of people who actually take time and dedication to decorate a house. They are samples. Nothing more.

[Skivvy]

No point interacting with you.

I'd recommend just blocking him unless you enjoy reading his posts for the laughs. Nothing good will come of trying to have an actual conversation.

[Lunalepsy]

Imagine comparing server space between games that are years apart and also have over an order of magnitude between them in active population, almost as if you were approaching the subject in bad faith...like a troll would

So because someone disagrees with you, you immediately call them a troll?

[Ranaku]

I don't find the "just buy an apartment" argument to be very convincing due to how small they are. In their current state, they're just too small. But if they ever do add a way to upgrade them, then that would make apartments a viable alternative to actual housing.

I mean i get that tbh, which is the reason why i said that the apartments could definitely use an upgrade system and that this would satisfy at least the majority of players. I think Yoshi P. even talked about that somewhere back then and it never came up again sadly. But maybe it is something they will bring in the future.

Still it doesn't make the fact that you can get housing if you want it no matter where. You might not like apartments. They are definitely not large enough that is for sure. But it is still housing and available for everyone.

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

- Housing demolition is still off, has been for over a year now

- We have neighborhoods because Yoshi likes the idea of neighborhood style housing and I wouldn't be shocked if those above Yoshi aren't willing to shell out the money needed to give us instanced or better apartments or endless wards. As frustrating as it might be to hear, they probably have other priorities.

yeah and the neighborhoods are mostly dead except when a venue is on

[HeyMcFly]

I dont think its just solely because of the auto demolish retaining subbed players. If you havent noticed, they've turned that off for almost a year now (and still is I think? Could somebody fact check me this please?)
Its simply because I think the dev team finds the player created neighborhood system on a server where anyone can visit far more appealing.

However no amount of band-aid fixes can truly help the situation because of the limited server space for each one trying to accommodate every single player. Its a very unfair system and of course we all know that by now.

I just think they really either need to introduce personal housing while still retaining the limited ward space as a "premium" thing or even just allowing players to expand their apartments to accommodate more rooms and allow gardening.

I'm wondering too if the demolish was still off bc I want to unsub but not lose my house

Also, I agree with your idea for allowing house wards to stay but also giving us expanded apartments- that would be AAA+ & I'd demolish my house to take that instead
My ward is a ghost town

[Shibi]

I don't find the "just buy an apartment" argument to be very convincing due to how small they are. In their current state, they're just too small. But if they ever do add a way to upgrade them, then that would make apartments a viable alternative to actual housing.

They are a start, and actually bigger than the ground floor of a small house. Small house is 3x3 partitions, apartment is 4 x 3. Yes, the house has the lower floor, but a lot of people block that off to float things properly.

They are a start, and it always surprises me so many people ignore them.

But, really, right now, anyone on all datacentres can get a small, and many can get a medium. So, it's all a bit moot for a while.