Is SE planning to deal with ilvl cheese people?

[GrumbleBeard]

Factually incorrect. There's:

1) People who need it for the MSQ (every single person going through it)

These people can queue for CT directly without using the roulette.

2) People who need CT for ShB Relics

These people can queue for CT directly without using the roulette.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

These people can queue for CT directly without using the roulette.

But why should they when they could force one via roulette AND get the roulette participation+AiN bonus in one go? /s

For real though, they need to adjust the rewards given. Make Aglaia/NieR reward more than CT raid series. Make them on par and people would still fish for the latter.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

These people can queue for CT directly without using the roulette.

...You do realize that they are directly queueing it for the MSQ, correct? And when they do, they automatically drag 23 other players with them that are queueing for alliance roulette?

And that there's infinitely more people doing this for the CT raids then any other raid?

Alliance roulette isn't a self-contained bubble. people hard queueing for the raids will get their queues filled from people in alliance raid roulette.

These people can queue for CT directly without using the roulette.

They can, but why? As Deceptus said, you get to tackle two tasks with one queue. Tons of free exp + progress on a relic in a single 15min run, instead of doing them separately. Doesn't matter if they -can-, people love being efficient with their time.

[Deveryn]

These people can queue for CT directly without using the roulette.



These people can queue for CT directly without using the roulette.

These people can still influence the roulette. That's how the roulette works.

[GTK0HLK]

I still fail to understand why you guys are in favor of forcing a playstyle, which is against ToS in normal circumstances to begin with.

Just don't do the roulette if you don't want s random raid.

I regularly get the Void Ark ones. I hate Dun Scaith. I do it anyway, because that's what the roulette gives me.

People want Roulettes to be Roulettes.
No one knows when they get one of the three CTs if it's a sprout, a grinder<which tbh, most find other ways to grind, and if they slow grind, it's random when they hit it, unless it's the last option, when they try to force their own progress and double dip via>, Ungearing.

If anything, we want the game to work as intended. if it worked as such, people would accept their lot.<only those who hate it til the end of their days would keep going on and on. Like it was back with the old MSQ Roulette. But guess what, that changed. and while some may hate it, it's for the better. Cause now Sprouts. the intended audience, doesn't get left In the cold. which is the opposite with Alliance Raids.>

also no everyone has void ark. I don't, haven't bothered to unlock at all. so for me it's CT, Ivalice, Nier, Aglaia.<tbh if I wanted less CT, I should unlock Void Ark. but> I don't care about landing on CT, what I care about. is that it works as it is intended. Which is what many want.

[GrumbleBeard]

These people can still influence the roulette. That's how the roulette works.

Good thing the topic in question is people intentionally cheesing their ilvl. The issue is not people NEEDING to run CT, it's people who don't need to but are forcing it.

"But I need it for my relic"

Great, you can queue for it directly and get exactly what you want. You can all complain about people calling you out but you're all morally wrong. The roulette exists for the chance to get any of your unlocked raids and the option exists to get exactly what you want if you can't stand the thought of not doing crystal tower. At the end of the day, you win anyway since SE will never care enough to come up with a solution but that doesn't mean it's not frustrating.

[Deveryn]

Good thing the topic in question is people intentionally cheesing their ilvl. The issue is not people NEEDING to run CT, it's people who don't need to but are forcing it.

"But I need it for my relic"

Great, you can queue for it directly and get exactly what you want. You can all complain about people calling you out but you're all morally wrong. The roulette exists for the chance to get any of your unlocked raids and the option exists to get exactly what you want if you can't stand the thought of not doing crystal tower. At the end of the day, you win anyway since SE will never care enough to come up with a solution but that doesn't mean it's not frustrating.

Yo, pop your head out for a moment. What you said makes no difference in the roulette. People can queue direct and still drag people into CT and people will still whine and blame cheese.

I win because I don't get bothered by this whole situation. I'm actually trying to encourage people to come up with a better solution, but they don't want to.

[Zebraoracle]

Pretty sure the easiest solutions have been said multiple times - make the non-CT raids actually worth doing. Better rewards for time invested. It's how old Prae was - it was longer than Castrum but the rewards were significantly better.

Alternatively, or additionally, make it so it syncs the roulette queue to the level of the job you queue as instead of the ilvl of the gear you have equipped at the time of queuing, so ilvl isn't even taken into account. There, no more cheesing.

[einschwartz]

I wonder if they are capable of making the alliance roulette with rotations according to expansions, that changes weekly.
For example this week would be ARR, next week HW, followed by SB the week after, then ShB + EW.
I figured the current expansion could merge with the previous expansion's alliance raids since it will take months to release one.

[GrumbleBeard]

Yo, pop your head out for a moment. What you said makes no difference in the roulette. People can queue direct and still drag people into CT and people will still whine and blame cheese.

You can keep trying to deflect using the people legit queueing for it but it doesn't matter at all. I don't mind getting CT sometimes, it's part of the roulette. I do mind seeing naked people at the start of the duty quickly throw their gear back on because they are ARTIFICIALLY increasing the odds of getting CT and it happens all the time.

I win because I don't get bothered by this whole situation. I'm actually trying to encourage people to come up with a better solution, but they don't want to.

Tons of people have posted solutions for it in this very thread, feel free to read any of them. The situation is essentially the same as when they had to nerf pvp experience because of the massive amount of people afking in to farm. I understand that certain types of people will always take the path of least resistance for them to the detriment of everyone around them.