What even is the purpose of all those non melee/blm jobs?

[Stasya]

Phys ranged SHOULD be at the bottom rungs of damage, they're the easiest DPS role

ninja is not harder to play than dancer but the only way dancer will do more with little rework idk

[ForteNightshade]

Phys ranged SHOULD be at the bottom rungs of damage, they're the easiest DPS role

Says someone who has never played any of them at an optimal level.

Ask a Bard how much nuance goes into maximizing their damage, how easy it is to drift and how much of a nightmare delaying raid buffs are for mechanics like Pinax. Then go ask a Melee the same question. When the Melee is confused why it's even hard to begin with, you'll have your answer.

Even at face value, this whole "balance based on difficulty" stance is inconsistent. Summoner is widely considered the easiest job in the game yet it deals more damage than all the Prange and Red Mage. Paladin is easily considered the more difficult tank to optimize hence its "spreadsheet tank" moniker yet it not only has the lowest DPS but the worst single target mitigation. The list goes on but it all highlights how difficulty is a terrible metric to use, and how the devs aren't even consistent with it.

[Ayche]

No no, do not bring that difficulty stuff into this thread too.
It is about consistency, not difficulty. They have some connection to each other but are not directly causal.
I think Bard is harder to play at full throttle than Dragoon, but you still regulate both based on their damage consistency, not their difficulty.
Consistency of damage is decided by encounter design.

[FireMage]

ninja is not harder to play than dancer

Yes, it is. Proper balance demands difficulty be taken into consideration. The phys ranged performing under melee is how things SHOULD be

[Azuri]

I blame Tiramu and those hot takes for bringing FireMage onto us.

[Ggwppino]

Yes, it is. Proper balance demands difficulty be taken into consideration. The phys ranged performing under melee is how things SHOULD be

x ranged key spam = x melee key spam. it is factual right now. melee no longer have the difficulties they had in stormblood that justified their damage. Let's stop with the boorish mentality of saying that melee are more difficult than ranged, because current melee no longer have anything of the past and difficult melee. The mch spams keyboard keys as much as an rpr, its factual.

[FireMage]

x ranged key spam = x melee key spam. it is factual right now. melee no longer have the difficulties they had in stormblood that justified their damage. Let's stop with the boorish mentality of saying that melee are more difficult than ranged, because current melee no longer have anything of the past and difficult melee. The mch spams keyboard keys as much as an rpr, its factual.

Yet each melee is still more difficult than any phys ranged. This is a fact

[Ggwppino]

how are they more difficult?

[FireMage]

how are they more difficult?

They are more complex. Pretty basic

[Burmecia]

People min/max the fun out of the game sometimes.

Beginning and end of discussion.

I once maxed tenacity/determination (on tank) and cleared the tier, e5s-e8s, in one of my bestest times when it comes to tier clearing as casual raider.
Been rinning savages since The Creator, Cheers.