[7.0]Will there be a new Hrothgar NPC in WoL's new gang?

[Allegor]

We do have Radovan and the NPCs in Norvrandt. But Norvrandt doesn't really count, and Radovan's... busy giving gunblades to people who don't press cooldowns... *sigh*

The only non-First/Bozja Hroths I can think of are Radovan (GNB trainer), Boric (crafter questline), a Hroth in Garlemald who you talk to once in the MSQ, and an unnamed npc in Sharlayan...4 Hrothgar, that's it...

Note: technically 3 since Radovan doesn't exist until/unless you accept the quest to unlock GNB

[Midareyukki]

I'm trying to remember, do the bangaa have any combat animations whatsoever? Because yeah like I said earlier having Bwagi and Fran as companions would be amazing, and very appropriate if by some miracle we got to deal with more Dalmasca stuff.

The only thing I can remember is Bwagi shooting the figure of Gunnhildr at the end of Castrum Lacus Litore with a gun. Otherwise, I don't think we see him fight anywhere else. He's mostly a cutscene presence either way... But I agree. We have Rostik as well to add to the group should the Bozjan resistance choose to lend a hand.

The only non-First/Bozja Hroths I can think of are Radovan (GNB trainer), Boric (crafter questline), a Hroth in Garlemald who you talk to once in the MSQ, and an unnamed npc in Sharlayan...4 Hrothgar, that's it...

Note: technically 3 since Radovan doesn't exist until/unless you accept the quest to unlock GNB

Oh right, I forgot Jareck and Boric. Boric obviously appears in cutscenes since he's part of a job quest. But I don't remember Jareck being a part of a cutscene? I think we just show up at the Tapper's Den, talk to him and then frolick off back to the sisters.

Which is kind of my point. Even when Hrothgar are used, they're shunted over to the corner. Same as some other races. And there isn't any major Hrothgar than Runar... a whole Shard away. I mean, you have Magnus, but even during the events of Amh Araeng he's just there as a filler NPC. Mother Miounne has about as much plot relevance.

[Allegor]

Yeh, Jareck played a very minor role and I think he also offers a sidequest later on, but that's about it. He stood out to me because, well, he's a Hrothgar lol normally I'm the only giant cat man around

[Zebraoracle]

Yeh, Jareck played a very minor role and I think he also offers a sidequest later on, but that's about it. He stood out to me because, well, he's a Hrothgar lol normally I'm the only giant cat man around

It's funny too, because how do you get people to like something? Hiding it in a corner and forgetting about it to the point it never gets anything, or putting it front and center and developing and fleshing it out? Hmm, I wonder...

[Midareyukki]

It's funny too, because how do you get people to like something? Hiding it in a corner and forgetting about it to the point it never gets anything, or putting it front and center and developing and fleshing it out? Hmm, I wonder...

This is what I've been saying the whole time. Square only has itself to blame. Hrothgar customization is limited. Hrothgar representation is limited. The Hrothgar experience is a limited version of what we otherwise could have. Dev communication with Hrothgar is limited. And fan support seems rather weak. We do have a few good people who, even if they don't enjoy the race, still support the players who do enjoy it. But the voices aren't that loud. And whenever we bring attention to these issues, people call us whiny. When it's not whiny at all to say the truth: everything about Hrothgar is limited, when there's absolutely no good reason to be so. If saying what's going on right now is whining, then hell, the Scions shouldn't care about the Final Days, stop whining and enjoy the flaming sh*tshow raining from the sky!

At no point did the devs say that they were meant to be limited. Nowhere in the game do you find a justification for it.

Now, we can sit here and muse over whether it's fair to criticise the devs on this, whether we're not thinking of their workflow and decision-making, of their resources and capabilities. We could literally cry a river over whether one singular race would break minimum requirements when the company making these games has made stuff like FF15, 7 Remake, Kingdom Hearts and is on its way to making 16. So the truth is that, for whatever reason, the experience of playing Hrothgar is limited. If other races are already limited on their own, Hrothgar doubles down on it.

But the important takeaway from it all is that for many people, enjoyment of the race is stunted by how limited it is. Which DOES affect our numbers. I'm not expecting a massive surge in Hrothgar players, but I do at least know that we'd have a lot more than what we have had we had any proper attention. WITHOUT the devs making an utter foolish meme out of it.

And that sort of approach to a race that the devs themselves wanted to implement into the game only harms its reception. Not just by fans, but it provides moronic excuses for idiots such as "Oh they look too similar", "They're just a furry race, weeeh", "Hrothgars should just be deleted", so on and so bloody forth.

But hell, if it were a Miqo'te, ooh. Hell no. People would quickly stand and ask Square what the darn hell! If it were Hyurs or Lalafell, people would stand their ground and tell Square to fix it! But Hrothgar? Lmao who cares, amirite? Just say the most insensitive ass thing you could say to those players, completely make them feel EVEN MORE unwelcome than they already feel. Even more unwelcome than they've felt for almost four years now. And Square only has itself to blame for this. For the way their own playerbase behaves among itself. Because had they taken better care of their projects, people wouldn't constantly dump crap on their races. Square is the one who needs to promote their races, not the fanbase. Square is the one who needs to understand that they can't just relegate races to the background and then wonder why the first thing they ever "do" for them is so poorly received.

Now...

Roegadyn have always been in a crappy spot in terms of representation.
Au Ra literally only have a good handful of characters, everything else is in sidequests.
And rarely, if ever, do Duskwights get any attention whatsoever.
And those definitely need some more shine. But Hrothgar need to stop being background characters.

Keep this in mind: You know you f*cked up HARD when three of the new NPCs you added in are a Male Viera (a new race) and two Arkasodara (a beast tribe) are far more popular, liked, positive, well-received and memorable than a Hrothgar has been in years. Runar is the only one that ever comes close. In nearly four years.

[Midareyukki]

And another thing! For as much as this game's community PRIDES itself on the game not being World of Warcraft...

At least that game does one thing right.

It knows how to give representation for its races

And all of them are badasses.

Be better if you're gonna preach that you're better, FF14 community. Hrothgar out!

[Kacho_Nacho]

Will there be a new Hrothgar NPC in WoL's new gang?

I hope so. Hrothgar really are overlooked. If they do add one, it'll be interesting to see who they pick. I don't see it being Runar.

Overall, I'd like to see all the current main Scions being phased out and replaced with new faces with the exception of Krile and G'raha Tia. I'd like to keep those two is Krile and G'raha as they have a built-in story arc to bring back the Students of Baldesion, which would be a good starting point for the WoL in a post-Endwalker world.

[Kitsune2200]

Since the disbanded Scions contained 4 elves (Alphinuad, Alisae, Estinien and Urianger), 1 Hyur (Thancred) and 2 Mi'qotes (G'raha Tia and Y'shtola)
The WoL new group should have more varios type of races, I would love to see new Hrothgar, Roegadyn or Viera in the new adventure saga

PS 1. and for the godsake, no more "WHITE HAIR"!
PS 2. I'm sorry for my bad English, I'm still learning hard for this language

Yep i can agree new scions would be great ive wanted a main cast blue au-ra girl to be added myself sadly probably wont happen

[Ivtrix]

i hope not
they are big ugly and annoying

[Zebraoracle]

How can they be "annoying" when they barely have any story relevance/appearance at all? Lol