"RMT vendors will often obstruct normal players gameplay activity"

[JamieRose]

Squeenix has had problems with RMT since the days of FFXI. They did nothing.

Player run linkshells tried to stop known RMT shells from interfering with players. Squeenix banned the players.

This is just another step in a long line of BS responses to RMT that do more damage to the players than the RMT.

I'm not even sure which side Squeenix is on.

[KageTokage]

Well, that latest ban report has 24 accounts terminated for botting which is genuinely exceptional compared to the norm.

Whether or not it actually continues going forward is what I'm curious to see.

[SassyAssassin]

Question is…..WHY is it so easy to have bots around in this game? Can’t they change something that makes it harder for bots to exist in the first place? Instead of having to go around reporting, just cut them at the source.

[Espon]

Question is…..WHY is it so easy to have bots around in this game? Can’t they change something that makes it harder for bots to exist in the first place? Instead of having to go around reporting, just cut them at the source.

Pretty sure every video game company in the world wish they knew the answer to this. Bot makers are very crafty. You think you fix the problem and they just find another exploit.

There are some things companies have tried in order to stop RMT, such as disabling all trading and selling of items, but it ultimately hurts the legit players the most.

[SassyAssassin]

Pretty sure every video game company in the world wish they knew the answer to this. Bot makers are very crafty. You think you fix the problem and they just find another exploit.

There are some things companies have tried in order to stop RMT, such as disabling all trading and selling of items, but it ultimately hurts the legit players the most.

Hm yes of course, I guess Im asking because I only played one other mmo before which was eso (years ago) and bots weren’t really a topic so I wonder what did they do differently?

[Jojoya]

I don't even care about ythe RMT anymore. The damage is already to far done. Housing prices ruined by RMT, market board bots, Eureka, everything is so ruined it cant be restored. Its to late now

The bolded part confuses me. RMT has no influence over housing prices. Those are set by the developers and are actually less than they were when housing was first introduced. Purchase of housing with the intent to resell is prohibited under the ToS so there is no legitimate player influenced market price.

As for the rest, yes RMT has had some serious effects. But damaged things can be repaired if you remove what's causing the damage. We need to get rid of those who do business with RMT so RMT goes out of business.

Question is…..WHY is it so easy to have bots around in this game? Can’t they change something that makes it harder for bots to exist in the first place? Instead of having to go around reporting, just cut them at the source.

Cutting them off at the source would cut off real players at the source as well.

That's why the gaming industry has such problems with bot activity. They have to find the pieces of code that would only affect the bots and not players. Then the bot programmers turn around and find new ways to get their bots to operate and the cycle repeats. Do something to counter bot/RMT activity that also affects players (like end the gifting of popular items) and the player base gets angry.

Botting and RMT will continue to exist as long as there are players who want to cheat the game systems. If you want to get rid of the bots and RMT, then get rid of the cheaters who rely on them. Bots and RMT will disappear when they don't have any customers.

Hm yes of course, I guess Im asking because I only played one other mmo before which was eso (years ago) and bots weren’t really a topic so I wonder what did they do differently?

Which MMO, out of curiosity? I've never played a MMO that didn't struggle with bot problems.

[SassyAssassin]

Which MMO, out of curiosity? I've never played a MMO that didn't struggle with bot problems.

Sorry should have written it correctly, the mmo I meant was the elder scrolls online, but please mind this was about six years ago on playstation EU and back then there was no cross-platform (I don’t know if there is now).

I have no idea how things are now but back then I don’t think I ever passed by bots and if I did, it certainly wasn’t the size of the eureka bunny fate farm so I probably didn’t notice it in the first place.

I did just make a quick google and people seem to be complaining about bots on PS NA servers it seems, I honestly had no idea you could even have bots on playstation.

And I can’t tell what they did differently back then to prevent bots, the only thing I know now is that since a while they implemented crown store gifting and real money trading is a very common occurrence in eso as well. Before people used to pay for dungeon carries through paypal and what not but that was the extent of the rumours Id hear, bots farming and destroying the market wasn’t really a topic.

[DragonFlyy]

Pretty sure every video game company in the world wish they knew the answer to this. Bot makers are very crafty. You think you fix the problem and they just find another exploit.

There are some things companies have tried in order to stop RMT, such as disabling all trading and selling of items, but it ultimately hurts the legit players the most.

Don't forget that most bot accounts are stolen with the original CC still attached so if the account is banned, the RMT people are out nothing except someones account. Not even the gil really since they probably transfer it to a holding account each day.

[KageTokage]

Don't forget that most bot accounts are stolen with the original CC still attached so if the account is banned, the RMT people are out nothing except someones account. Not even the gil really since they probably transfer it to a holding account each day.

This is why I'm confused as how the phishing scams are able to be as successful as they are, because logic would dictate they have to be pooling all of the stolen gil somewhere and the fact that they use the phished accounts to perpetuate the scam provides a common thread that can be followed.

[Nanne]

Hm yes of course, I guess Im asking because I only played one other mmo before which was eso (years ago) and bots weren’t really a topic so I wonder what did they do differently?

Never played the game but a 5 second google search gave bunch of ESO forums that had messages from 2021 and 2022 complaining that people bot and nothing is done about it I guess its all about not every player encountering them in normal play