We anticipate that even with this update, third parties will continue

[dspguy]

Serious question, but haven't they banned people before for receiving gifts from friends that were paid for with stolen credit cards where the payment was discovered by the original owner of the card, disputed and bounced the charge?

The thing is, if SE was banning people receiving gifts from friends that was paid with a stolen credit card... then they were banning the innocent victims. If I gifted you a mogshop item, you'd have no idea of knowing if that code was direct from the mogstation or indirectly purchased through a fraudulent reseller that intends to do a chargeback. SE's move, while unpopular, is probably the right move.

Consider the following scenarios:
- Player A purchases fraudulent code and gifts to Player B. Player B (innocent) gets banned
- Player A purchases fraudulent code and uses it him/herself. Player A (not innocent) gets banned

By removing the code entirely, it now removes the ability for fraudulent purchases to be resold to unsuspecting players. It does NOT remove fraudulent purchases from occurring... but for big ticket items like mounts, the risk is taken on by the purchaser/player not some unsuspecting recipient.

[Liam_Harper]

They could also choose to gift non-cash-shop items, in which case prizes could still be given on the night.

Some will. Which is going to lead to more people buying gil from RMT sellers to fund those in-game item giveaways.

[LianaThorne]

Just coming in here to repost and add onto what I said in another thread on this topic:

It makes sense that the most valuable items are no longer giftable if people are literally having their credit cards stolen and used to buy them for x amount of people. There's a bigger picture here that kind of needs to be looked at. If there's a better solution then fair enough but this was probably the quickest way to find a fix while they work on a longterm solution. Sorry some people who wanted to steal people's information ruined it for everyone for now but people not being robbed is more importan than being able to gift the newest thing to your friend. Get them a prepaid gift card if you really are desperate to get them something off the Mogstation, if they're your friend they should appreciate whatever you're able to get them regardless of the method used.

[deebug96]

The thing is, mounts are not a super big ticket item. Yes, there is the Lunar Whale at $42 as 8 people can ride it, Chocobo Carriage at $35.99 for 4 people, and 2 person mounts are $29.99, but most mounts are $24 with past event mounts at $12.
Of items still GIFTABLE: A story boost through Shadowbringers is $25. A Class boost to 80 is $25. The two newest outfits, Fat Cat Attire and Street Wear are both $22 a pop.
So, honestly, yes, there are SOME more expensive mounts, but most of them are less than stuff that is still giftable. This thought process in mind, there was no reason to lock mounts and minions down from being gifted to friends.

[LianaThorne]

The thing is, mounts are not a super big ticket item. Yes, there is the Lunar Whale at $42 as 8 people can ride it, Chocobo Carriage at $35.99 for 4 people, and 2 person mounts are $29.99, but most mounts are $24 with past event mounts at $12.
Of items still GIFTABLE: A story boost through Shadowbringers is $25. A Class boost to 80 is $25. The two newest outfits, Fat Cat Attire and Street Wear are both $22 a pop.
So, honestly, yes, there are SOME more expensive mounts, but most of them are less than stuff that is still giftable. This thought process in mind, there was no reason to lock mounts and minions down from being gifted to friends.

It doesn't matter if something is $12 or $42. That's still profit to them because none of it is being bought through their own money. Selling a $3 costume discounted isn't worth it but $12 for $6? Or $42 for $21? Yeah, it adds up.

And yeah it is reasonable when people will wait out that 72h period to continue to make money. All they would have done was make the process longer (similar to how the black market for housing is still alive even with a 30 day wait, you just pay half up front now and get added to the FC and after 30 days pay the rest and get leadership), not stop it entirely without putting a hold on gifting the valuable items. It literally would have solved nothing.

[Themarvin]

It is a sound system and it works, else there would not be all these complaints about it.

[Jettinson]

Baffled that they also included the minions...

[deebug96]

It doesn't matter if something is $12 or $42. That's still profit to them because none of it is being bought through their own money. Selling a $3 costume discounted isn't worth it but $12 for $6? Or $42 for $21? Yeah, it adds up.

And yeah it is reasonable when people will wait out that 72h period to continue to make money. All they would have done was make the process longer (similar to how the black market for housing is still alive even with a 30 day wait, you just pay half up front now and get added to the FC and after 30 days pay the rest and get leadership), not stop it entirely without putting a hold on gifting the valuable items. It literally would have solved nothing.

I get that, but people have been saying Mounts are locked because they are big ticket items. If that was the case, anything that sells for $20 or more should be unable to be gifted. That would still let "lesser" mounts be gifted and minions.

[deebug96]

And Five Phials of Fantasia is $49 and CAN STILL BE GIFTED. WHICH IS MORE THAN THE MOST EXPENSIVE MOUNT
Five Copies of Tales of Adventure: One Retainer's Journey III is $40.50 AND IS STILL GIFTABLE

[LianaThorne]

I get that, but people have been saying Mounts are locked because they are big ticket items. If that was the case, anything that sells for $20 or more should be unable to be gifted. That would still let "lesser" mounts be gifted and minions.

My guess is the ones they sectioned off are the ones they're getting the most chargebacks over. I can't really comment on definites as I don't have access to sales over the period of time all of the chargebacks were happening.

Also that would fall in line with what you're saying that other expensive items are left alone. If people aren't buying them in general in mass quantities then there's less risk letting them sit there. People aren't just going to start buying tons of retainer stuff now just because of all of this when they were going to resellers for mounts or minions or emotes.