We anticipate that even with this update, third parties will continue

[deebug96]

The thing is, mounts are not a super big ticket item. Yes, there is the Lunar Whale at $42 as 8 people can ride it, Chocobo Carriage at $35.99 for 4 people, and 2 person mounts are $29.99, but most mounts are $24 with past event mounts at $12.
Of items still GIFTABLE: A story boost through Shadowbringers is $25. A Class boost to 80 is $25. The two newest outfits, Fat Cat Attire and Street Wear are both $22 a pop.
So, honestly, yes, there are SOME more expensive mounts, but most of them are less than stuff that is still giftable. This thought process in mind, there was no reason to lock mounts and minions down from being gifted to friends.

[LianaThorne]

The thing is, mounts are not a super big ticket item. Yes, there is the Lunar Whale at $42 as 8 people can ride it, Chocobo Carriage at $35.99 for 4 people, and 2 person mounts are $29.99, but most mounts are $24 with past event mounts at $12.
Of items still GIFTABLE: A story boost through Shadowbringers is $25. A Class boost to 80 is $25. The two newest outfits, Fat Cat Attire and Street Wear are both $22 a pop.
So, honestly, yes, there are SOME more expensive mounts, but most of them are less than stuff that is still giftable. This thought process in mind, there was no reason to lock mounts and minions down from being gifted to friends.

It doesn't matter if something is $12 or $42. That's still profit to them because none of it is being bought through their own money. Selling a $3 costume discounted isn't worth it but $12 for $6? Or $42 for $21? Yeah, it adds up.

And yeah it is reasonable when people will wait out that 72h period to continue to make money. All they would have done was make the process longer (similar to how the black market for housing is still alive even with a 30 day wait, you just pay half up front now and get added to the FC and after 30 days pay the rest and get leadership), not stop it entirely without putting a hold on gifting the valuable items. It literally would have solved nothing.

[deebug96]

It doesn't matter if something is $12 or $42. That's still profit to them because none of it is being bought through their own money. Selling a $3 costume discounted isn't worth it but $12 for $6? Or $42 for $21? Yeah, it adds up.

And yeah it is reasonable when people will wait out that 72h period to continue to make money. All they would have done was make the process longer (similar to how the black market for housing is still alive even with a 30 day wait, you just pay half up front now and get added to the FC and after 30 days pay the rest and get leadership), not stop it entirely without putting a hold on gifting the valuable items. It literally would have solved nothing.

I get that, but people have been saying Mounts are locked because they are big ticket items. If that was the case, anything that sells for $20 or more should be unable to be gifted. That would still let "lesser" mounts be gifted and minions.

[deebug96]

And Five Phials of Fantasia is $49 and CAN STILL BE GIFTED. WHICH IS MORE THAN THE MOST EXPENSIVE MOUNT
Five Copies of Tales of Adventure: One Retainer's Journey III is $40.50 AND IS STILL GIFTABLE

[LianaThorne]

I get that, but people have been saying Mounts are locked because they are big ticket items. If that was the case, anything that sells for $20 or more should be unable to be gifted. That would still let "lesser" mounts be gifted and minions.

My guess is the ones they sectioned off are the ones they're getting the most chargebacks over. I can't really comment on definites as I don't have access to sales over the period of time all of the chargebacks were happening.

Also that would fall in line with what you're saying that other expensive items are left alone. If people aren't buying them in general in mass quantities then there's less risk letting them sit there. People aren't just going to start buying tons of retainer stuff now just because of all of this when they were going to resellers for mounts or minions or emotes.

[deebug96]

My guess is the ones they sectioned off are the ones they're getting the most chargebacks over. I can't really comment on definites as I don't have access to sales over the period of time all of the chargebacks were happening.

Also that would fall in line with what you're saying that other expensive items are left alone. If people aren't buying them in general in mass quantities then there's less risk letting them sit there. People aren't just going to start buying tons of retainer stuff now just because of all of this when they were going to resellers for mounts or minions or emotes.

Retainers I understand aren't a popular item, but Fantasias are. I know people that change race and gender every other day or so.

[Vrankyl]

My guess is the ones they sectioned off are the ones they're getting the most chargebacks over. I can't really comment on definites as I don't have access to sales over the period of time all of the chargebacks were happening.

Also that would fall in line with what you're saying that other expensive items are left alone. If people aren't buying them in general in mass quantities then there's less risk letting them sit there. People aren't just going to start buying tons of retainer stuff now just because of all of this when they were going to resellers for mounts or minions or emotes.

This is incorrect. They stated specifically in their own announcement that these items cannot be gifted due to them being one time use items to prevent gifting people things they already own. Which is counter productive when you can still gift job boosts and story skips which are one time use items, and provide actual in game gil. That's not even touching the fact that clothing items are also things that people could already have, meanwhile the SE Online Store already has access to our lodestones as they do a character verification through the lodestone to ensure it is being sent to the right character. Seeing as how mounts and minions are viewable through the lodestone it seems a bit odd that they can't just add that verification step.

[deebug96]

This is incorrect. They stated specifically in their own announcement that these items cannot be gifted due to them being one time use items to prevent gifting people things they already own. Which is counter productive when you can still gift job boosts and story skips which are one time use items, and provide actual in game gil. That's not even touching the fact that clothing items are also things that people could already have, meanwhile the SE Online Store already has access to our lodestones as they do a character verification through the lodestone to ensure it is being sent to the right character. Seeing as how mounts and minions are viewable through the lodestone it seems a bit odd that they can't just add that verification step.

Thank you! Thank you! They already have every means to verify and since you can gift other one time use items, their model doesn't make sense. It's not based on mounts being most expensive as the most expensive thing in the Online Store isn't even a mount. The way they have done it makes no sense what so ever.