Please Bring Back DoTs and Debuffs

[tearagion]

While dots seem interesting... FF14 is not good with dots/debuffs. I'd be neutral on it if it didn't have a glaring issue which I've posted a thread about before.
It'd be another choice for people to choose, but, this issue that shouldn't exist makes it a concern more likely to occur if it does become a thing.

Too many debuffs will prevent anymore debuffs from being applied, easily seen in populated hunts/fates, somewhat uncommon in bozja, shouldn't happen in 8 mans thanks to smn no longer needing dots, and likely to happen in 24 mans depending on the jobs you get. People get screwed over if they're all rprs, or any job that commonly has uptime of debuffs at the boss at any given moment. Some people would not have any effect on 60/120 windows because of the excessive amount of "debuffs" that should've been buffs, i.e. ta and rpr

Then there's too many buffs forcing effects to not apply, which I've rambled before as it shouldn't happen, but can happen in 8 mans coincidentally. In which I lost an entire IR as WAR cause I didn't expect to be overbuffed in zodiark ex.

Thanks for posting the same thing other people have, and have discussed potential workarounds (ground targetted aoes like shadowflare, enhancing the fantasy with other actions like old fester, old songs, and old contagion instead of inflating the DoT count excessively, a "pet npc" with appropriate effects/model to convey the thematic fantasy of a given job like rook turret, channelling spells that deal damage over the duration), and reasonings for why it's kind of a cop out anyway (SE already bloating the debuff list with reaper 100% uptime debuff instead of buffing themselves, truly uninteractive DoTs like bowshock, only really becoming an issue in very high playercounts only encountered in hunts, bozja, and eureka).

This is all assuming that it's impossible to raise or work around the debuff and buff caps. While it very well may be, I certainly have no way of knowing, SE solving or removing such a constraint would render such a reason moot entirely.

[MagiusNecros]

90% of the time you aren't reaching the 48 debuff limit. And I don't understand why Trick Attack and Death's Design aren't a self buff. Because um they just turned those skills into this?

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Heavy_Thrust

[McQuibbly]

BRD was probably the closest to this in ShB when you had to keep DoTs up to proc your songs

[Reimmi]

You are literally never going to get class based debuffs back that isn't trick attack.

Stop.

We were literally never going to get male viera
Stop. Oh wait

[Sasori86]

Nothing quite brings me pleasure like doting up an enemy and watching them slowly die. There's just nothing like it. We need a DoT job, but the direction SE is going I doubt we'll get one. A shame, that's such a fun archtype to fill.

Me too, I hope one shows up like the way they did Madness Sorcerer in SWTOR

[Sasori86]

We were literally never going to get male viera
Stop. Oh wait

"Gonna need a sensu for that one"