Just tried Eureka for first time...

[Jeeqbit]

I wouldn't consider partially filled instances "active". Considering the "endgame" area climax raid requires manual organization to run, I think it's not running at the capacity it was supposed to, just fostering the few brave souls who learned about the rewards and are slogging that challenge grind.

You said yourself that Eureka has multiple instances so just those people could be split between multiple instances as well.

Just because it's a bot town on a new data center such as Materia doesn't mean it is everywhere else. Old relic grinds have always been a very popular endgame content since "old" existed and that includes the stormblood relics. It's not hard to come across someone saying they are working on an old relic if you are in a lot of game chats.

I've not encountered bots when I've been into any of the 4 areas, just normal people spawning and doing NMs or BA but it will be interesting if I ever run into them. Bots being there doesn't mean players aren't though.

[Krotoan]

You said yourself that Eureka has multiple instances so just those people could be split between multiple instances as well.

Just because it's a bot town on a new data center such as Materia doesn't mean it is everywhere else. Old relic grinds have always been a very popular endgame content since "old" existed and that includes the stormblood relics. It's not hard to come across someone saying they are working on an old relic if you are in a lot of game chats.

I've not encountered bots when I've been into any of the 4 areas, just normal people spawning and doing NMs or BA but it will be interesting if I ever run into them. Bots being there doesn't mean players aren't though.

The way it SHOULD work is when the content is healthy and thriving people queue fast enough that an instance gets full before a new one is created. Now however you have instances with a fraction of their capacity. meaning people are queuing slow enough that the instance gets too old before it can fill and the server doesn't want to put new people in an instance that's about to "expire" or has gone dead. This very rarely happened when eureka first released or when the big "surge" happened and all the new people were trying for those rewards.

Now it's pretty common and an indicator the content isn't popular beyond the initial push. I said as much back when it was released. The content needed a way to be progress able even when it wasn't full. Then they added the challenges bandaid which.. kinda helps. But I don't think anyone can seriously say that Eureka is relevant or popular when you realize that the servers host 10's of thousands of people but those instances are pretty much phantoms of what they used to be.


I'm not saying you can't like what you like. But facts are Eureka was bubblegum content. It's been chewed up and there is exceedingly little motivation for the playerbase to go back to it once they've wrung out the rewards. People aren't doing it because "whee Eureka!".. they're doing it because there's stuff locked behind it and a majority of the people I talk to don't even think that stuff is worth it.

[Jeeqbit]

That's like saying just because only 120 people are doing a specific old dungeon right now that it's not popular. It's a piece of the overall game as much as the rest.

Of course the newest content has everyone flooding into it and most other things don't, but that doesn't mean that old content is completely dead. They are slices of the cake that make up the cake.

Of course people are doing it for the rewards, why wouldn't they? Even if you enjoy content, you need something to motivate you to do it. Yoshi-P understands that and puts rewards behind everything. Most of the time that includes a mount.

I, too, do it for the rewards, but I enjoy it when I do it and enjoy that I get rewards from doing it.

[Soge01]

Pagos was my favorite area. Enemies actually felt like they were blocking the way to wherever you were trying to go, unlike the rest of Eureka that mostly had gaping open pathes you could stroll through. The other areas in Eureka were never that fun to me compared to Pagos. :<

[Krotoan]

That's like saying just because only 120 people are doing a specific old dungeon right now that it's not popular. It's a piece of the overall game as much as the rest.

And we literally have a system that filters players to fill these queues because otherwise people would wait hours for 1 run. This is because the content is no longer popular or relevant unless we MAKE it relevant by giving players rewards to help others fill it up.

Of course the newest content has everyone flooding into it and most other things don't, but that doesn't mean that old content is completely dead. They are slices of the cake that make up the cake.

It's not COMPLETELY dead sure. There's always going to be a few filtering through it. But it's not anywhere near relevant anymore. It's the slice of cake from last months bday party.

Of course people are doing it for the rewards, why wouldn't they? Even if you enjoy content, you need something to motivate you to do it.

A lot of content in games is actually fun to play without any sort of "reward". That's the motivation. It's FUN. That's why you're supposed to play games. For fun. Now if the only thing you enjoy is getting stuff and you need that dopamine hit, then I guess .. whee? But personally after my 2nd hour of doing my rotation on NM's straight I was all "funned" out. There's fun and then there's an ordeal with a carrot at the end.

Yoshi-P understands that and puts rewards behind everything. Most of the time that includes a mount.

This is not always a great idea. See "mentor system".

I, too, do it for the rewards, but I enjoy it when I do it and enjoy that I get rewards from doing it.

Great. Lots of others ONLY do it for the rewards and hate every minute of it.

[Duskane]

Eureka was best relic system we've had this game to date,
the fact its not some passive shopping list quest or i have to do dated content makes the relics much more special and it has mounts,hairstyles,minions and glam to collect so you don't have to be there for relic only and can go back and collect stuff for yourself or to sell.

was it flawed? damn right it was but damn i pretty much enjoyed the entire experience of it.

[Havenchild]

I thought both Eureka and Bozja were fine and I did them both when they were relevant AND when they were nerfed.

Bozja is still hella active because the EXP is still relevant plus the relic isn't too bad of a grind.

Eureka could use maybe one more nerf in pagos but otherwise fine. Discords really help to gather people in an area or coordinate a BA.

Both of these were great, altho bozjas encounter design was superior for nms and the raids so they definitely should take all of the good from bozja and spin it with a new mech for the zone and that's all. Both of the big zones were huge successes.

[TheGrimace]

Older content will have less concurrent players than new content. Time of day is also a large factor. Many people are focused on variant dungeons right now, along with farming Astronomy tomes for the Manderville relics. Eureka's fine.

[midnitdragoon]

I'm having a blast in Eureka so far! Was helping another player complete logs, we chatted and I found magicite!

This is without a doubt the experience I've been looking for in final fantasy xiv. I guess my question... Once you reach the max level in Eureka(what is the max level?), can I level sync and help lower level players in Eureka, complete logs and exp with them? Or can you go back down to level 1 and start over?

[TheGrimace]

I'm having a blast in Eureka so far! Was helping another player complete logs, we chatted and I found magicite!

This is without a doubt the experience I've been looking for in final fantasy xiv. I guess my question... Once you reach the max level in Eureka(what is the max level?), can I level sync and help lower level players in Eureka, complete logs and exp with them? Or can you go back down to level 1 and start over?

At the end of Eureka lies the Baldesion Arsenal. Rewards from it include Eureka Fragments, which can be used to upgrade the Relic Weapons and Relic Armors to their +2 state- which gives additional Eureka Elemental Attribute bonuses. If you have a Vermilion Cloak or Kirin's Osode, those items have the same bonus- they essentially act as a big increase to your attack and defense.

Wearing these can make you far more powerful, especially in the lower areas. It's a great feeling. Unfortunately you can't synch down to Level 1, only to each zone's max level- 20 for Anemos, 35 for Pagos, and 50 for Pyros. There are those out there who have chosen to kill themselves over and over again to reset their levels to help friends, but this option is not often chosen.