Sick of the christforsaken Nightclubs

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Piggy backing:

The cafe scene is lovely but I rarely see any open past the morning or afternoon anymore. Night is just dominated by clubs and casinos and brothels that I think they stopped trying to compete.

There were a few nice restaurant venues I and my friends would go to sometimes in the evenings, a couple years back - and a friend also ran a restaurant venue with his IRL wife for a while, before life stuff got too stressful and he had to pause for a bit. Don't know if any of them are still around or not, but I guarantee there are still some here and there... it's just impossible to compete with the multi-alt spam advertisements clogging up the PF. And yeah, I agree-- I loved a lot of the small cafes and restaurants that I got dragged to now and then! They're nice for just chill RP nights in between stuff, and the staff usually work pretty hard to ensure everyone's tended to and engaged. I used to work a restaurant venue on an alt way back, and I still work customer service IRL, so I know how hard that role can be even without the added roleplay aspect.

Just kind of unfortunate that actual storytelling and plotlines are so rare, and have more often than not (but especially lately) been an FC-exclusive deal rather than stuff you can stumble into out in the world. God knows I've been shocked to see big story events going on out in random corners of the world in ESO, or tournaments happening in WoW's Stormwind; FFXIV can make an RPer feel like those sorts of things aren't normal in the RP scene anymore, lol.

[Bukachu]

Piggy backing:

The cafe scene is lovely but I rarely see any open past the morning or afternoon anymore. Night is just dominated by clubs and casinos and brothels that I think they stopped trying to compete.

but isnt there a reason for it then?

I mean its not like cafes/restaurants etc died artifically, it just naturally happened.

like for those to exists, people need to be interested in doing them, and funny enough if all the people who complain about clubs in one way or another gathered up and made a cafe, they would have plenty of room to RP in that environment but I get a feeling most people just complain for the sake of complaining.

[Eraden]

Mao likes cafes and restaurants. The furnitures is tasty!

[vanaii]

Do non-venue adventurer RP FCs even exist anymore?

[XSkeithX]

I don't mind people advertising their own club, but when I see a handful of people using the same copy/paste advert, it feels a bit like people are trying to get around blacklisting. Like how you'd see people using alt accounts/ect to advert for run selling parties in the PF back when.

I find that so funny. I gave up blacklisting because no matter what they kept cropping back up. But its like why are you trying so hard for me not to blacklist you? if poeple are blacklisting you then its because we dont want to hear you anymore, but even that is not allowed. Its like naw screw you buddy! your going to hear my 100th shout again for today whether you like it or not!!

[LianaThorne]

but isnt there a reason for it then?

I mean its not like cafes/restaurants etc died artifically, it just naturally happened.

like for those to exists, people need to be interested in doing them, and funny enough if all the people who complain about clubs in one way or another gathered up and made a cafe, they would have plenty of room to RP in that environment but I get a feeling most people just complain for the sake of complaining.

There's more money in nightclubs. *shrug*

[Bukachu]

There's more money in nightclubs. *shrug*

Well yeah, but its more gill for people who're "employed" there, not neccesarily for people who go there (not counting giveaways they do which rewards one out of 100 goers), so earning gil isnt a motivation for most of people who go to those.

there're cafes too but a lot of people dont go to those because they're boring I guess?

and then again, people can have different motivations for what they want their "house" to be. if most people care about gil over RP or anything of sorts that's just a "it is what it is" moment, and it doesnt prevent a next guy in line from opening a cinema, theater, or cafe.

but like I said, most people just want to complain for the sake of it.

[CrimsonThunder]

Ah yes, money and digital sex. Everything I wanted in my FFXIV adventure.

[AshDidit]

Welp, I have a nightclub in game.
And I read every comment here.

I run a SFW RP Club venue where my staff RP interacts in /s and /em chat.
Not super long posts and some responses (like drink orders) are macros.
We do not offer ERP services.
We do offer drinking games which are gambling, but you get at least one 'drink' out of it win or lose.
You may very well see a few afk bees knees'ers in the club but we try very hard to engage people in activities; trivia contests, minion guessing games (where you win the minion if you guess it right), dad joke-offs, etc.

We are indeed guilty of city shouts and posting in party finder (in the 'other' category).
We have a 1 per page rule (ie if there's only one page of 'other' PFs then we only have 1 post up. If there are 2 pages, then we'll have 2 up.
We -never- do more than 2 no matter how many more pages there are, because 3 is actually also against ToS.

We pay a person to advertise (shout) for us, one time per major city every hour while we are open, in rotation to reduce our spam.
We're not open 24/7. We are open Saturday and Sunday nights for 3-4 hours.
Usually one single post but if we're doing themed, there might be two lines.

Why do we do it this way?
Because we agree with what you've all said.

We want our own place to post.
We do not want to spam city shouts.
We love RP.
I love showing off my venue's builds (I redo it monthly)
Like we have a fully staffed haunted house up on Ultros right now that you can go through with haunters in it to scare you.

We try very hard to NOT be a nuisance to those who aren't into our thing.
So, I can't apologize for anyone else,
but for our venue and myself, I do apologize if we have annoyed.

As we've discussed among ourselves, we see the problem to be more that there are SO MANY venues now, all shout chat is... is venue ads.
I don't have a solution for that because we don't really have any other place to advertise aside from PF-other.

But,
You CAN report any post in PF that is not in the right category.
SE specifically said RP groups and venues were required to use the 'no category' (which is 'other' in NA).
You can also report any ads there are more than 2 identical.
We were told that was against the rules also.

The more you report those breaking the ToS, the more likely SE is to do something to address it.


As for me and my group, we don't want to upset or offend anyone, but we would love it if you came out to RP with us.
I hope we can eventually change the scene into a friendlier, less... annoying one.
We, at least, are trying.

The moment SE gives us our own place in the PF lists...we'll be there.
(but we'll probably still be doing city shouts too).

Thanks for entertaining my TEDtalk
Yira
Hyper
Ultros

[LianaThorne]

Well yeah, but its more gill for people who're "employed" there, not neccesarily for people who go there (not counting giveaways they do which rewards one out of 100 goers), so earning gil isnt a motivation for most of people who go to those.

there're cafes too but a lot of people dont go to those because they're boring I guess?

and then again, people can have different motivations for what they want their "house" to be. if most people care about gil over RP or anything of sorts that's just a "it is what it is" moment, and it doesnt prevent a next guy in line from opening a cinema, theater, or cafe.

but like I said, most people just want to complain for the sake of it.

You are aware venues do giveaways for 10s-100s of millions of gil for their customers right? .....

What do you mean earning gil isn't a motivation for people who go there? XD
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As far as boring, I can counter that with standing around bees kneeing in the corner afk while hardly anyone talks around you is boring as well?

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I don't call it RP anymore, it's clubbing. That's all it is. Where is the RP when the room is silent outside of like two people at the bar while everyone else is afk?

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If people wanna complain about the state of the RP scene, they're right to because it's a shell of its former self now. It's literally like trying to find a piece of hay in a pile of needles (and yes, I know I switched the original quote around) because hardly anyone actually does legit RP anymore. It's depressing because before covid hit, there were enough non-club venues to balance it out. Now it's just....pages and pages of afking to a random DJ.