Brian from Work 2 Game is leaving FFXIV

[Odstarva]

Can someone explain what toxic positivity means?
Or rather, use an example of what toxic positivity looks like in-game?

Because my only experience has either been genuinely nice people, the opposite (mean-spirited, malicious), or the occasional "you don't pay my sub" types.

I've never met anyone that is so.... positive (??) that it made me feel bad in any way shape or form!

[Kaurhz]

Can someone explain what toxic positivity means?
Or rather, use an example of what toxic positivity looks like in-game?

Because my only experience has either been genuinely nice people, the opposite (mean-spirited, malicious), or the occasional "you don't pay my sub" types.

I've never met anyone that is so.... positive (??) that it made me feel bad in any way shape or form!

It's not really toxic positivity, really. Some people just like to inappropriately conflate words. I wouldn't really call it toxic positivity as much as I would just call it false positivity. Most people I've come across just simply disagree with some outlooks, and then people like to feign toxic positivism. It's almost comedic as it is ludicrous, honestly.

The term is practically meaningless courtesy of a few.

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

Can someone explain what toxic positivity means?
Or rather, use an example of what toxic positivity looks like in-game?

Because my only experience has either been genuinely nice people, the opposite (mean-spirited, malicious), or the occasional "you don't pay my sub" types.

I've never met anyone that is so.... positive (??) that it made me feel bad in any way shape or form!

Toxic Positivity is when you you feel so good about something but refuse to see the flaws in something and refuse it and when people try to point it out you crush them on the idea that nothing is wrong when there is

[Avoidy]

Can someone explain what toxic positivity means?
Or rather, use an example of what toxic positivity looks like in-game?

Let's say you're in a raid, right? Maybe you're trying to get your weeklies or whatever. Hell, it can even be a dungeon. I've seen this happen multiple times across every kind of content you could think of.
So there you are, and you're DPSing, and maybe the tank just doesn't turn on his tank stance. If it's a dungeon, maybe he's pulled a pack of trash without his stance. If it's a raid, maybe the MT died and now he (OT) doesn't have his stance on. Either way, the aggro is on you and you're a DPS, so this isn't an ideal situation. And you tell him to turn it on, because now you're tanking as a dps. But he ignores you and just does his own thing. Aaand now you're dead. And now the other DPS is dead too. And now the healers are dying. And you wipe. You zone back in at the start, and nobody says anything because everyone's afraid to be critical due to the ToS. The guy who died second is like "let's just try again! )" and the problem isn't actually addressed. And maybe -- maybe it happens again, the whole damn thing, point for point, and now someone finally says "dude, OT, turn on your stance so we don't keep wiping" or "MT, stop dying to [mechanic]" and now someone else chimes in with "calm down bro it's just a game dw bro just have fun " and straight up enables bad play that's wasting everyone's time.

Or maybe you get one of those healers who just spams Cure1 and nothing else, and maybe it's actually a detriment because you're in some level 90 content where better play is expected. Maybe it affects your ability to enjoy the content, so you say something like "hey have you considered using other tools in your kit besides the option you get at level 2?" and their friend who queued in with them is like "just let them enjoy the game! " even though their method of enjoyment is ruining the game for everyone else who has to put up with it.

Or maybe you queue alliance raid roulette and you get into crystal tower, again, and you look over and see a guy who's naked and rapidly putting on his gear. Someone else sees this too, and when the duty loads and there're no new players, he exclaims sarcastically, "thanks for queuing naked and getting us the same crystal tower raid for the 30th day in a row" and another guy chimes in with "it's ok ) just a game dont be so upset "

Basically any time you have a valid complaint, there's always some smiling enabler there to defend bad shit that negatively impacts everyone else. These people are positive, but it's a positive force used to encourage toxic behavior that pushes people out of the game when it happens often enough. Because eventually you get sick of Cure1 bots. Eventually you get sick of shitty tanks. Eventually you get tired of syrcus tower every day. And then you quit.

[Tiramu]

Let's say you're in a raid, right? Maybe you're trying to get your weeklies or whatever. Hell, it can even be a dungeon. I've seen this happen multiple times across every kind of content you could think of.
So there you are, and you're DPSing, and maybe the tank just doesn't turn on his tank stance. If it's a dungeon, maybe he's pulled a pack of trash without his stance. If it's a raid, maybe the MT died and now he (OT) doesn't have his stance on. Either way, the aggro is on you and you're a DPS, so this isn't an ideal situation. And you tell him to turn it on, because now you're tanking as a dps. But he ignores you and just does his own thing. Aaand now you're dead. And now the other DPS is dead too. And now the healers are dying. And you wipe. You zone back in at the start, and nobody says anything because everyone's afraid to be critical due to the ToS. The guy who died second is like "let's just try again! )" and the problem isn't actually addressed. And maybe -- maybe it happens again, the whole damn thing, point for point, and now someone finally says "dude, OT, turn on your stance so we don't keep wiping" or "MT, stop dying to [mechanic]" and now someone else chimes in with "calm down bro it's just a game dw bro just have fun " and straight up enables bad play that's wasting everyone's time.

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Or . Eventually you get tired of syrcus tower every day. And then you quit.

Thats not toxic positivity, thats more the "toxic casual" thing, which tbh is fairly rare outside of MSQ DF's. The only times I've seen people jump to the defense of incompetant players who arent listening is when the complainer goes too far or has pretty bad social skills. Not that it seems to happen often anyway.

In practice, most coming to defence I've seen is when someone who has a shitty attitude lashes out at someone who just wasnt perfect.

[Kozh]

Can someone explain what toxic positivity means?
Or rather, use an example of what toxic positivity looks like in-game?

If you want example of toxic positivity, just look at deveryn's posts history (or Velkalor to some extent)

[Deveryn]

If you want example of toxic positivity, just look at deveryn's post (or Velkalor to some extent)

You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I don't feel anything towards you and your plight and if you leave, you won't be missed. That's just straight salt and truth.

[Kozh]

You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Deveryn, you have been called out by many people here on forum. And a lot of them aren't even "the usual guys a.k.a Aveyond and his cronies", as y'all like to put.
So yeah, I think I know what I'm talking about.

[Deveryn]

Deveryn, you have been called out by many people here on forum. And a lot of them aren't even "the usual guys a.k.a Aveyond and his cronies", as y'all like to put.
So yeah, I think I know what I'm talking about.

You can't even quote whichever post you're talking about to show how wrong you are, so no. Toxic Positivity has been spelled out and you still don't understand it. Whatever I've said here does not line up. Leave me out of your miserable state. If you're sick of the game, leave. I've been called things, but never called out. People can't have a proper discussion so they resort to BS like this interaction of yours. Bye, Felicia

[Kozh]

You can't even quote whichever post you're talking about to show how wrong you are, so no. Toxic Positivity has been spelled out and you still don't understand it. Whatever I've said here does not line up. Leave me out of your miserable state. If you're sick of the game, leave. I've been called things, but never called out. People can't have a proper discussion so they resort to BS like this interaction of yours. Bye, Felicia

Don't need when 90% of your posts are defending the game while being rude and sarcastic. If you don't live 24/7 on forum, I might be able to dig through your post history to look for examples, but unfortunately, your oldest post the forum show is around 6.1 (I think?) and I can't find it again since it's probably older than that.