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    Zanarkand-Ronso's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang View Post
    whereas GW2 your legendary gear will always be relevant if you decide to take a break
    This sounds like GW2 doesn't get much harder if your Legendary is still relevant.
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    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    This sounds like GW2 doesn't get much harder if your Legendary is still relevant.
    No, GW2's design is different. Fights can be harder or easier, depending on how they're made. Much like how you have raids here in FF14 that can be easier or harder than A12S despite being more recent than it.

    The design with GW2's fights come with stuff like using class gimmicks, buffs/debuffs and survivability. FF14's all about numbers, rotation and shielding. GW2 has a bit more to their classes than that, and some fights rely on it. Imagine En Avant actually being a part of your core gameplay. That's how classes in GW2 are designed, along with their usual other mechanics that we're used to. Looking at you, Mesmer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang View Post
    He had another video with Chris earlier in the week where he talked about that you really can't take a break from this game due to the fact that its a vertical climb to gear up and if you take a break you get left behind whereas GW2 your legendary gear will always be relevant if you decide to take a break
    Eh, yes and no. FF XIV has vertical progression, sure, but you can take a break, come back and gear up pretty quickly, especially when catch up gear is a thing from Alliance raids. Crafted gear helps a ton as well for anyone who's been gone a while and wants a quick boost. The capped tomestone gear is meant to be a grind though, at least while it's current. Casual players have their gear progression, while raiders have theirs from Savage/Ultimate/etc. I'd argue that the only game mechanic that holds people hostage is the housing system.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 10-24-2022 at 07:43 AM.

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    Every MMO has problems and unless you focus on the positives and enjoy those you'll never be happy in them. If toxic positivity exists as you claim, then toxic negativity definitely does on this forum.

    There is definitely not a lack of content but it might be content that you aren't interested in or that you only decide to do once because you don't care about the rewards.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Want to know why new content will never last more than 20 minutes? Full breakdown:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Every MMO has problems and unless you focus on the positives and enjoy those you'll never be happy in them. If toxic positivity exists as you claim, then toxic negativity definitely does on this forum.

    There is definitely not a lack of content but it might be content that you aren't interested in or that you only decide to do once because you don't care about the rewards.
    Only focusing on the positives and ignoring the negatives is the equivalent of burying your head in the sand. If you want to do that, more power to you. I'm gonna choose to do the opposite though and focus on both, thanks.
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    questions:

    - Who is this guy?
    - Why should I care he's leaving? (Seriously, the way the OP is worded I thought the dude is someone from the dev team).

    Frankly it feels it's not even that it's about the person in question, but rather the OP just piggy back something random for the usual rant.

    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    Only focusing on the positives and ignoring the negatives is the equivalent of burying your head in the sand. If you want to do that, more power to you. I'm gonna choose to do the opposite though and focus on both, thanks.
    What's wrong with focusing on the positive.

    Here is the thing I feel a lot of people miss: it's a game.

    If it's a life choice, job relevant, relationship matter then sure, it's wise to keep a balance and objective PoV. But this is entertainment, something I waste time and resource on to "entertain" me. I ain't playing this game to make myself a better person or for personal enlighten. It's the same thing for a lot of thing. I listen to whatever music that excite me, I don't care if it's just some mindless synth junk despite some people think I need to refine my taste to enjoy "higher form of art". When I read things, I just read whatever interested me and make me laugh. Some people point out I should treat reading as "brain food" and I'm just like ... no. I think a lot of people just have these "grandstanding" opinion about things but you know ... I just shrug and I think it ain't worth my time.



    Another thing ... have people like you ever consider if someone like don't complain alot, it's not really because we only focus on the good thing, and actually because we just don't have a lot of things to complain about? Like, seriously, even if I have only HALF of the complains that are on displayed and beaten to death on this forum, you still wouldn't see me complain about it, and do you know why?

    Because I have head in the sand? No.But simply because at that point I would have been long gone to another game. Like ... why the hell should I spend time and resource to focus, find and then complain about the thing that supposed to entertain me?

    That's madness.
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    Last edited by Raven2014; 10-24-2022 at 11:38 AM.

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    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    Another thing ... have people like you ever consider if someone like don't complain alot, it's not really because we only focus on the good thing, and actually because we just don't have a lot of things to complain about? Like, seriously, even if I have only HALF of the complains that are on displayed and beaten to death on this forum, you still wouldn't see me complain about it, and do you know why?

    Because I have head in the sand? No.But simply because at that point I would have been long gone to another game. Like ... why the hell should I spend time and resource to focus, find and then complain about the thing that supposed to entertain me?

    That's madness.
    That's great for you. Honestly. It really is. Unfortunately no, it isn't madness. We're paying for something meant to entertain us monthly. And while it does, when we provide feedback and they refuse to listen, then yeah, what you get are people complaining. If you aren't the kind to have your head buried in the sand and are enjoying the game, that's great. Keep enjoying the game. But rather than just saying that and stopping there, try to understand that the game has been declining for quite a lot of people in these forums. Some complaints in the forums are kind of obviously bad takes, others are just people trolling around. But some stuff are entirely valid and either weren't addressed at all by the devs, or they were but didn't fix the issue.

    It's great that you're enjoying the game. But allow others to enjoy it as well. Not everything that glitters is gold. And your enjoyment of the game likely won't be affected by the changes that people have asked. You've been on these forums since 2014, so you know a lot of stuff that's good that's in the game, stuff you likely enjoy, came because fans asked for it. So odds are you'd still be enjoying the game if any of the stuff that people complain about get addressed. As you have for nearly 10 years.

    Also, I can't help but notice you're a Hyur. I'm sorry but I don't see much reason for you to come and complain about stuff happening to your race. You aren't playing anything, at least at face value, that warrants any complaint. But players of other races feel like there are flaws that they'd like to see adjusted. Among many other things about the game, even stuff unrelated to races. This was just an example.

    Another thing that people tend to forget is the fact that there's been a lot of points that have drawn intense criticism in such a short timeframe this expansion. People have always complained. And these forums never had the best reputation. But the reason why you're seeing such a surge in discontentment, even if it's just here, is because of that. And as I've said many times, the devs have said before that THIS is the place they'll search for feedback on their game, so odds are you'll see a lot more complaining here than anywhere else.

    Otherwise? Yeah. We still play the game, we still pay for it, we still enjoy it. Same as you. It's just that some of our experiences haven't been the best, and we'd like them addressed. Some are just pure quality of life, some are a bit more complex like Square improving on their raiding scene which is a massive aspect of the game... and some are just pure genuine player experience. And we wouldn't want to leave the game that we care about a lot, that we invested a lot of time in. That we'd like to continue doing so because we think the rest that's positive makes it all well worth continuing. Yet the recent drop in quality and communication has been rather shocking to say the least, and that implies the devs need a bit of a voice telling them not to fall complacent. And when the lead producer's initial response to us criticizing notoriously and blatantly poor decisions is "I wasn't expecting such a reaction", then that implies a disconnect that needs to be bridged.

    So, yes, I at least consider that if you don't complain and show that you enjoy the game, then it's because you enjoy the game and don't find any reason to complain. But others do. What I personally wouldn't be fine with would be if you suddenly turned around and talked crap about people who did complain. Perhaps have you considered that some of the people who complain do understand the game has its praises but just simply won't sing them every time just to insert a complaint? Some people are just more direct and to the point. And sometimes, the negativity comes at a reaction to something the devs did. What's important is to be cool about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post

    But allow others to enjoy it as well.
    As far as I know, I'm not the one stopping you.

    Also, I can't help but notice you're a Hyur.
    Nope. Notice how he's a level 50? "cause I haven't played for almost 8 years. I like my beast girls

    What I personally wouldn't be fine with would be if you suddenly turned around and talked crap about people who did complain.

    Congratulation, now you understand how people like me feel when we're told we have our head in the sand or whiteknighting for liking the game. Frankly at this point it's already a tug a war thing so at least let not try to draw the victim card shall we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    Yeah but at least previous patches actually had more content and the focus of said content wasnt such engaging features such as:
    -Right Click Island!
    -Run this same dungeon 12 times
    -Sorry no Exploration Zone pls understand
    The "exploration zones" were at least as tedious and grindy as the current expansion's content, with a whole lot of trekking back and forth across dull scenery thrown in, and I am not sad to see them go.

    If you levelled twice as fast and saw everything once or twice instead of ten times, I would have rated it higher, but everything just wore out its welcome long before you were done with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    ??
    Was your solution really to come here and wag your finger at other players and say "stop complaining?" Lol. It boggles me that some people think they can suppress the feedback of other players.
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    Last edited by kpxmanifesto; 10-24-2022 at 12:13 PM.

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