YPYT is griefing. Tank role is not "puller" role

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

YPYT is still an issue that exists...? Sorry, Tank main/hermit here, there are actually tanks struggling with the idea that a dps is pulling for/ahead of them?

First of all - if any melee does this, they have Bloodbath, which they can hold up to like six mobs at bay for a few seconds at least. They have my full consent to pull ahead if im not there yet as long as they survive.

Monk and Reaper in particular Im okay with. Monk has access to Riddle of Earth and a Reaper trying to run ahead to make Arcane Crest pop for a regen for me is very welcome. Had that one recently, man got my comm for that effort.

Before the 15y -> 20y buff to tank ranged skills I even saw benefit of ranged tagging particular enemies in Aurum Vale's first room. Similarly, the final section of Tower of Babil lets you do the same, making mobs come to us and not the other way around.

From the games I played up to now, a DPS or Healer pulling is not irritating in the slightest.

If you get me as your tank in duties, do not think you will insult me if you pull ahead of me, just survive until I get you.

Putting aside, YPYT is not just horrible punishment etiquette, it is actively forcing yourself to do less damage to ensure your spite goea through, slowing things down for everyone. We dont like healbots, why should anyone accept this.

So please, if anyone who reads this is actually believing in YPYT - stop it. You are doing noone any favour and are just feeling entitled to your holier-than-thou position in parties.

I have done dungeons without tanks, you are not as indispensible as you think you are.

[Jojoya]

The DPS are more likely to get banned than the tank and I've seen it happen with the tank reporting them for harassment. GM's throw the hammer at everyone so I just never go near the report function.

Never heard of a single case of this ever happening, ever. Have, however, heard of multiple cases of petty tanks getting account strikes for griefing their parties.

Sounds like it's anecdotal on both sides. How do any of you know that someone has been banned either as YPYT tank or as a DPS pulling when GMs don't share what action is taken on a report? Please don't respond with the usual "because someone else told me they got someone banned". They have no way of knowing, either. The only people who know about a ban are those who got banned for whatever reason, and they're unlikely to share unless they have to explain to their static why they won't be able to raid that week.

Short of comments made in chat to show intent to grief the group or an individual within the group, the GMs have nothing to go on.

[LittleImp]

Sounds like it's anecdotal on both sides. How do any of you know that someone has been banned either as YPYT tank or as a DPS pulling when GMs don't share what action is taken on a report? Please don't respond with the usual "because someone else told me they got someone banned". They have no way of knowing, either. The only people who know about a ban are those who got banned for whatever reason, and they're unlikely to share unless they have to explain to their static why they won't be able to raid that week.

There was someone who posted the GM gaol receipts of their SO getting banned for doing this, on these forums. I have seen receipts of these types of bans with my own eyes. I have never seen anything relating to a DPS who pulled getting banned.

Short of comments made in chat to show intent to grief the group or an individual within the group, the GMs have nothing to go on.

Like I said, someone petty enough to grief a run because their ego feels slighted almost never have the inhibitions or self control of a normal person. Every single time I can think of that I have personally experienced YPYT in game, the tank has also relentlessly cried into the chatbox about it.

[MistakeNot]

These are all offenses that can get you small bans. This is also reinforced in the novice network's training simulations. The dps jobs pull mobs for the tank in those training sims.

The Hall of the Novice teaches tanks to pull one small group at a time - it very clearly tells them not to pull everyone at once.

DPS that deliberately pull extra clearly wants to tank - so why not let them do so?
Big pulls are obnoxious, and anything which discourages them are a good thing.

[Bad_Luck]

This is just a FYI, but tanking does not mean you are the only one allowed to pull mobs in a dungeon.

Sure, you can do stupid things if you want to. Pulling without warning is a very stupid thing.

The game is designed to stop you from pulling too many mobs. You can not physically pull more than a group can handle either.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen anybody say. You know how to wipe a party, right? The easiest way to cause a wipe is by pulling more than the team can handle or is prepared to handle. You gotta take things as they are, not how you wish they were. Got a team that can swing it, great. Got a team that can't? You done wiped them, jerk.

I've seen a handful of people get small bans for griefing the party by refusing to tank as well which is unfortunate for them.

How many were mad because you, in your arrogance, caused a wipe? That's the question I have.

When you enter a dungeon the goal is to complete the duty. If you do anything to intentionally not complete the duty then you are breaking ToS by becoming a bad actor.

Now, this I agree with. Tank throwing? Report away. But if you act a little fool and cause a wipe AND cause a fight too, that's the same in my book. And I'll back the tank and the healer before any easily replaceable little idiot DPS who thinks they can run shit. I think it's hilarious how you guys keep framing it as "you don't get to decide everything, the team decides" but it's usually not the team telling you to pull anything is it? I bet it's always just you, and your impatience. I'm not buying it. Run Duty Support if you want it all your way. Good look with your pulls there.

[Bad_Luck]

If the DPS is really that good at the game, they would surely live right? /snerk

[Bad_Luck]

YPYT is still an issue that exists...? Sorry, Tank main/hermit here, there are actually tanks struggling with the idea that a dps is pulling for/ahead of them?

No problem. But you don't speak for everybody either, and some might not expect it or want it.

[Bad_Luck]

Your only role is keep enemies off your allies

Show me anywhere in the game that says its the job of the tank.

[Bad_Luck]

and imo, if your tank says this. vote kick them.

And enjoy your wait while you find another? Nah, pass. Or maybe the DPS who thinks they're so good can handle the run as MT? I'd rather spend my time clearing and I'd probably leave too.

[Bad_Luck]

You pull and cause a wipe, you're a problem. Point-blank.