Hildibrand for relic? Really?

[hagare]

Its cause arr relics were just about on par with tome/raid gear for a chunk of the game not just the final step.

yes...... That's how it works.
The last step is most likely the BiS one.
Has something changed? was SB and SHB relic not BiS in last step?

[Vahlnir]

yes...... That's how it works.
The last step is most likely the BiS one.
Has something changed? was SB and SHB relic not BiS in last step?

I think their point was that ARR relics were equal to tome/raid weapons after every significant upgrade, but it wasn't until the final step that they were truly BiS due to their customizable stats and a small bonus to other stats besides. I get why they stopped doing that and made them at most maybe current Extreme trial item levels until the very end when they actually do become BiS, but I think it's a shame.

[hagare]

I think their point was that ARR relics were equal to tome/raid weapons after every significant upgrade, but it wasn't until the final step that they were truly BiS due to their customizable stats and a small bonus to other stats besides. I get why they stopped doing that and made them at most maybe current Extreme trial item levels until the very end when they actually do become BiS, but I think it's a shame.

So equal to latest EX weapons.
hmmm....
correct me if I'm wrong. But the relic IS currently at the same level as EX4's weapons aren't they?
Isn't that how they've always been done?
equal to trial in every step but the last.

[Vahlnir]

So equal to latest EX weapons.
hmmm....
correct me if I'm wrong. But the relic IS currently at the same level as EX4's weapons aren't they?
Isn't that how they've always been done?
equal to trial in every step but the last.

I guess that's what I mean, yeah, and I think I'm also misremembering a few things. I'm tired, so I should probably just stop posting. lol

[hagare]

I guess that's what I mean, yeah, and I think I'm also misremembering a few things. I'm tired, so I should probably just stop posting. lol

hence my question to the first post. He seems to think it won't be like that.
Implying that it has changed before.

Part of me felt a little disappointed the Manderville weapons weren't over the top and kinda goofy looking like the Sabotender weapons from Gold Saucer...

Are you trying to make someone get a stroke?

[Mikey_R]

I think their point was that ARR relics were equal to tome/raid weapons after every significant upgrade, but it wasn't until the final step that they were truly BiS due to their customizable stats and a small bonus to other stats besides. I get why they stopped doing that and made them at most maybe current Extreme trial item levels until the very end when they actually do become BiS, but I think it's a shame.

The ARR relics were weird.

They started being equal to raid weapons (i90) but raiders said, what is the point in going after a raid weapon if the relic is the same ilevel and easier to get, which is why raid weapons are now all 5 ilevels above the rest of the gear.

When second coil came out, initially the weapons weren't on the same level, but upgrades came out and they got custom stats at the Novus stage (i110) which was then given the Nexus stage (i115) before final coil released, effectively making relic weapons BiS then.

Then, of course, final coil came and again, whilst delayed, relic weapons would outdo raid gear (i135).

So really, Relic has been at least BiS ilevel for every raid during ARR and it was only during HW that the relic was changed to only be BiS on the absolute final step.

[AmpelioB]

The ARR relics were weird.

They started being equal to raid weapons (i90) but raiders said, what is the point in going after a raid weapon if the relic is the same ilevel and easier to get, which is why raid weapons are now all 5 ilevels above the rest of the gear.

When second coil came out, initially the weapons weren't on the same level, but upgrades came out and they got custom stats at the Novus stage (i110) which was then given the Nexus stage (i115) before final coil released, effectively making relic weapons BiS then.

Then, of course, final coil came and again, whilst delayed, relic weapons would outdo raid gear (i135).

So really, Relic has been at least BiS ilevel for every raid during ARR and it was only during HW that the relic was changed to only be BiS on the absolute final step.

which honestly kinda sucks, I like the fact that relic would be BiS during catch up content, or at least same spot of it