What was so wrong with stormblood healers that required they be changed?

[IceBlueNinja]

I just don't get it. They had more involved dps, the larger number of dots helped keep damage rolling even if there was a healing-intensive spot, selene, eos and sects were still a thing.

If the dev team's really this hard-pressed to balance the jobs, maybe they should stop adding new ones or hire more people. If they don't have a dedicated healer main on the job balance team maybe they should get one or at least be concerned that they don't have one.

I ask myself this all the time. Ast was perfect in stormblood days. The job was so busy managing migi or regens, mp management, combust 1 and 2 dots and playing around with all 6 cards. I was not that ast that just gonna aim for balance cause entitled people only wanted that card. When mp management was a huge thing ewer was nice for me when I wanted more mp after lucid. Bole was nice in light pt stuff to help dps trash. blm love u for arrow to save ley lines. spire was ok for ninja but garbo when they remove tp. spear was godly as it actually buff crit base. Balance that all love meh ok.

I almost felt had 0 time to even use a malefic when it was 2.5 seconds with how much i had to do with dots hots or migi and card playing. Now yeah since shb..barely would accept ast since this seals garbage we have. they buff noct stance nicely which was why i kept on ast but ofc ew killed it now making it another better whm clone and as a noct lover sage fits me as i love instant migis. I barely play the game atm and do other games if not working and am just waiting on re4 remake ff7 remake part2, crises core remake and finally star ocean 6 lol.

[Recon1o6]

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While I dearly want my cards and noct sect back and agree with most of what you say here, I do have a slight disagreement on perfect

Ast in SB had the major problem of it being 1 dot 1 nuke dps (plus no weaving until 4.3) It sucked and it was the one thing I hoped for going into shb on ast that would be improved other than making noct equal to diurnal. I wanted ast to get another dps button or 2. Nothing strenuous, but enough to stop me finding every damn fate a chore.

Playing as Ast in a solo duty, overworld or potd/hoh sucked because all you could do was spam malefic between card draws.

Remember combust 1 and 2 were combined in SB, stella and cross class were gone.

[IceBlueNinja]

While I dearly want my cards and noct sect back and agree with most of what you say here, I do have a slight disagreement on perfect

Ast in SB had the major problem of it being 1 dot 1 nuke dps (plus no weaving until 4.3) It sucked and it was the one thing I hoped for going into shb on ast that would be improved other than making noct equal to diurnal. I wanted ast to get another dps button or 2. Nothing strenuous, but enough to stop me finding every damn fate a chore.

Playing as Ast in a solo duty, overworld or potd/hoh sucked because all you could do was spam malefic between card draws.

Remember combust 1 and 2 were combined in SB, stella and cross class were gone.

AH sorry didnt got to experience HW ast so may have missed some stuff here and there. I started playing this game on SB release. But yeah playing solo with ast... in solo instance is pretty miserable, where I had no choice at times but to use whm in stormblood days before sbh since it had aero 2 and 3 at least with assize to boot.

[ty_taurus]

Stella wasn't used though. I didn't even have it on my hotbar for the most part. The only instance where I remember actually needing it was A3S. Heavy was and could be a really unique form of utility that could be used to greater effect, but the utter lack of commitment to making it important meant there was no need for Stone I, Stella, and the like. CC in general has a lot of completely under utilized potential, and I feel the fear is that people won't know to use it properly, but how could they when the designers refuse to integrate it into fight design?

We have Repose, for example, and there's not a single instance of it being useful outside of what... deep dungeons? Repose seemingly is stuck on our hotbars because one Shadowbringers healer role quest demands you put enemies to sleep and it's easier to just ignore it than rework that quest. Why not have adds in bosses that are invincible for 20 seconds and putting them to sleep allows the party to ignore them until the invincibility wears off? Or stuff like that? Attach a buff dispel to Repose and allow it to work double duty as a way to remove defense buffs Savage bosses apply to themselves. I'd be down to see Heavy return as well if we actually took advantage of it, but they just won't do something like that.

[NorthernLadMSP]

SB? Nah, it's been downhill ever since HW which was peak healer gameplay.

[Recon1o6]

Stella wasn't used though. I didn't even have it on my hotbar for the most part. The only instance where I remember actually needing it was A3S. Heavy was and could be a really unique form of utility that could be used to greater effect, but the utter lack of commitment to making it important meant there was no need for Stone I, Stella, and the like. CC in general has a lot of completely under utilized potential, and I feel the fear is that people won't know to use it properly, but how could they when the designers refuse to integrate it into fight design?

We have Repose, for example, and there's not a single instance of it being useful outside of what... deep dungeons? Repose seemingly is stuck on our hotbars because one Shadowbringers healer role quest demands you put enemies to sleep and it's easier to just ignore it than rework that quest. Why not have adds in bosses that are invincible for 20 seconds and putting them to sleep allows the party to ignore them until the invincibility wears off? Or stuff like that? Attach a buff dispel to Repose and allow it to work double duty as a way to remove defense buffs Savage bosses apply to themselves. I'd be down to see Heavy return as well if we actually took advantage of it, but they just won't do something like that.

Idk about anyone else but I got a lot of mileage out of stella in POTD, especially on my single attempt at a solo run on ast (and in 3.1 to boot...it was a mistake)
I also used it for weaving since ps3 and how the game handles lag meant my cards were clipping very hard.

I wanted it to get a buff tbh

as for repose, I still wonder why its not a duty action since they are so determined to remove crowd control and instead get silence or something idk. Its useful in delubrum savage i suppose

[Nizzi]

We have Repose, for example, and there's not a single instance of it being useful outside of what... deep dungeons? Repose seemingly is stuck on our hotbars because one Shadowbringers healer role quest demands you put enemies to sleep and it's easier to just ignore it than rework that quest. Why not have adds in bosses that are invincible for 20 seconds and putting them to sleep allows the party to ignore them until the invincibility wears off? Or stuff like that? Attach a buff dispel to Repose and allow it to work double duty as a way to remove defense buffs Savage bosses apply to themselves. I'd be down to see Heavy return as well if we actually took advantage of it, but they just won't do something like that.

Repose annoys me so much because it's just Sleep but worse. It offers literally no benefit being ST except being 200 MP less, which is a complete nonfactor. A healer cannot even use Repose to attempt to salvage a large pull gone wrong, so literally what is the point? Get rid of it and rework that one SHB healer role quest. Free up a slot for the healers.

[Tint]

What was wrong with White Mage in Stormblood? This trait WHMs got sums it up I think:

Secret of the Lily II

Grants a 20% chance that Asylum or Assize recast time is reduced by 5 seconds upon healing critical HP with Cure or Cure II.

RNG behind RNG for casting a spell you try to avoid to reduce the cooldown of Assize by a whole 5 seconds...

[ty_taurus]

What was wrong with White Mage in Stormblood? This trait WHMs got sums it up I think:



RNG behind RNG for casting a spell you try to avoid to reduce the cooldown of Assize by a whole 5 seconds...

"How can we give WHM a gauge without giving WHM a gauge? WHM players can't handle gauges."

[AmiableApkallu]

What was wrong with White Mage in Stormblood? This trait WHMs got sums it up I think:



RNG behind RNG for casting a spell you try to avoid to reduce the cooldown of Assize by a whole 5 seconds...

Zoinks. And I thought Freecure was a bad deal…