Seriously, when will they fix SHELL & PROTECT?

[Keftenk]

Shell 2 isn't as good as Shell 1 was before that patch

Even so, that'd be a good thing. It was simply over powered. Just like how Punishing Barbs was before its nerf and just like how Emulate is now.

[Evangela]

Even so, that'd be a good thing. It was simply over powered. Just like how Punishing Barbs was before its nerf and just like how Emulate is now.

yeah, they were over powered but if they want to rebalance them why they nerf them too much? Punishing Barbs became useless, Shell & Protect almost useless too

I'm ok with rebalancing the over power skills but should keep them in acceptable rate

[Keftenk]

Lol, Pbarbs is far from useless.

They could "rebalance" Protect and Shell, sure. However, it really isn't needed.
Damage checks are more heavily influenced by Rank vs Rank comparison. Which imo, is the issue. That's what needs to be looked at.

[Jennestia]

Punishing Barbs is far, far from useless, it even allowed me to kill hard (for current rank) mobs by cutting a decent portion of life off of it after a powerful TP move I couldn't get out the way of in time from not paying attention (Gnat's Lightning Rape.)

When something is overpowered, you reduce it -- sometimes it's too much, sometimes it's very unoticable, however in this case, shell wasn't suppose to chop off ~40-55% of magical damage, it's suppose to go in tiers which it didn't, and an "acceptable rate" is subjective because MMORPG players don't fully know what balance is, just what they want, for example, WoW -- PvP vs PvE balance.

@Keftenk:

It's mainly the way stats are scaled and currently work, which is what they're changing. Rank vs Rank is the deciding factor, but only because of unbalanced stats where player stats are barely effective vs enemy stats which are overly effective.

[vax]

I think pro and shell are fine, on FFXI both spells wasn't fucking impressive about the damage mitigations but it could safe your life.

[ApplePie]

Um, protect and shell does NOTHING. It gives you a pretty effect when monsters hit you. Oh joy, an animation. Totally worth the MP cost. Jennestia, please leave, nobody cares about you honestly. You are always defending the protect and shell saying it does something. But how can they same BOOST TO MAGIC DEFENSE on that glorious November patch and then it literally negates zero damage? Oh sorry if I want the only two buffing spells that reduce damage beyond stoneskin to actually do something. Sorry it hurts your feelings Jennestia that someone disagrees with you. But with my longer playing experience with shell, protect, shell 2, and protect 2. I go to Dodore and say "hi!" he casts scourge 2 (btw I only have 80 mnd, which I still take the same damage as if I had 174 mnd) and I take 400 points of damage. "HAHA! I'll cast Shell 2!" and Dodore casts a second Scourge II and it deals 500 points of damage?! Okay... consistently deals more damage. Shell wears off and it goes back to 400 points of damage. I'm sorry but atm, shell either doesn't work as it should or it increases the damage I take. Please take your Senior Moderator signature off as well. Nobody here cares; it just misrepresents you here. (Btw, where is your parse showing that Shell does anything beneficial? )

[Evangela]

I'm not sure about how much they working at this moment

but I'm sure it's not protect you more than 10~15% damage or even 0

[Jennestia]

Um, protect and shell does NOTHING.

Parse data, please.

Btw:

When you claim something doesn't work, you provide data showing as such, because you seem to be one of the few people who actually says it doesn't work.

You show data disproving what the majority believes, not the other way around. Especially considering more people understand things need to be adjusted, not that it flatout does nothing.

[Jinko]

Protect seems fine to me, Shell on the other hand does seem kind of gimped, some magic based attacks can one shot you if your not careful and that shouldn't be happening really, seems really cheap.

Main offenders are Imps and Salamander type monsters, so either shells effectiveness needs to be increased or certain magic based mobs need to be rebalanced.

As others have pointed out large scale rebalancing will take place in the near future so its just a matter of patience.

One thing I do agree with is that Protect and Shell should last longer 30 minutes sounds about right.

[ApplePie]

Too bad I still don't care to show you anything Jennestia. It doesn't work. Ask every mage in my linkshell if it works and all will say "lolshell". Again, they said "boosting magic defense from shell" and it literally changed the effectiveness to nothing. You can't claim the algorithm for shell is broken and then claim that shell isn't broken. Please go back to core forums. Nobody cares about you or will care. (For you know who)