People who can't do AOE rotations in 70+ Content

[AwesomeJr44]

In much the same way as sitting in the passenger seat doesnt teach you how to drive, encountering other healers doesnt teach you how to heal.

You say this as if healing is anywhere close to challenging outside of savage. It's not. Healing in dungeons/leveling content is stupid level easy unless your tank is actively trying to make your life hell. You don't need to be a master at healing to do dungeon content, you just need to have basic competence. You can 100% learn to heal by watching other healers do it. Doing it very very well is what actually takes time and effort to learn.

[Aneshda]

Please stick to Squadrons, Duty Support, and Trust.

This is aimed at people who like to do single target rotations when people wall to wall for them. You're legitimately a detriment to the party.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

There is no rule how someone should play his Char / Job.
None told you to do a Wall to Wall pull.
None told a Healer just to Heal now and then and let DD's / Tanks die over and over again, cause a Rezz is cheaper.
Hate how other Players, play their Job?
Then go Trusts or make your own Party / Raid.
Stop to tell others how to play, that is toxic and we are not in WoW.
You cry cause you had a Dungeon Run which needet 2-5 Minutes longer as normal ... OMG we are all doomed!

[Raven2014]

Stop to tell others how to play, that is toxic ...

I don't think you can recognize toxic players ... after all if you could, you would realize you're far more toxic than the person you're replying to.

[Tiramu]

You say this as if healing is anywhere close to challenging outside of savage. It's not. Healing in dungeons/leveling content is stupid level easy unless your tank is actively trying to make your life hell. You don't need to be a master at healing to do dungeon content, you just need to have basic competence. You can 100% learn to heal by watching other healers do it. Doing it very very well is what actually takes time and effort to learn.

You kinda prove the point... unless the tank (or others) are making life difficult. In levelling or ARR/HW Ex trials this is often the case, intentionally or otherwise. Also, when levelling you also have your own familiarity with mechanics.

[Aneshda]

I don't think you can recognize toxic players ... after all if you could, you would realize you're far more toxic than the person you're replying to.

Why cause I say, you don't have to tell anyone how to play?
Aslong I pay my Sub, I play how I want.
If you don't like it, well I have PayPal and for a whopping 45,59 Euro you can deceide how i should Play this Game.
Otherwise, shut your mouth and keep your Brainfart for yourself.
None has the right to critisize other Players for their Playstyle.

[Axxion]

Why cause I say, you don't have to tell anyone how to play?
Aslong I pay my Sub, I play how I want.
If you don't like it, well I have PayPal and for a whopping 45,59 Euro you can decide how i should Play this Game.
Otherwise, shut your mouth and keep your Brainfart for yourself.
None has the right to criticize other Players for their Playstyle.

wow. thats funny. We all pay our subs here to keep the servers and also play with everyone. A dungeon should not take up 40 minutes to complete , last time we checked this is just normal content and not first week savage raiding However keep the following in mind. this mmo uses the trinity system. Everybody has to contribute to it. If you know someone dos not have the time or want to go there own pace there is the trust.

What everybody is saying that if you are lvl 50+ then you should be aoeing nothing more nothing less. If you are at current cap not even aoe at the pull then you are a problem to the party and per yoshi him self, we can kick due to playstyle difference.

you saying just create your own party can also apply to you. if you want to sit back and enjoy every aspect of the dungeon you can with your party

an example for you here. My friend had a healer that was not healing well. and the party died during a dungeon. They said hey you might want use you hots more. then the healer said "im tired of people telling me how to play a job that they did not queue for. "

Like really? throwing out a suggestion and just to be slapped in the face because of there play style. yeah no

[Boblawblah]

wow. thats funny. We all pay our subs here to keep the servers and also play with everyone. A dungeon should not take up 40 minutes to complete, last time we checked this is just normal content and not first week savage raiding However keep the following in mind. this mmo uses the trinity system. Everybody has to contribute to it. If you know someone dos not have the time or want to go there own pace there is the trust.

What everybody is saying that if you are lvl 50+ then you should be aoeing nothing more nothing less. If you are at current cap not even aoe at the pull then you are a problem to the party and per yoshi him self, we can kick due to playstyle difference
you saying just create your own party can also apply to you. if you want to sit back and enjoy every aspect of the dungeon you can with your party

When's the last time you've had a dungeon last 40 minutes and how often does it happen?

[Aneshda]

wow. thats funny. We all pay our subs here to keep the servers and also play with everyone. A dungeon should not take up 40 minutes to complete, last time we checked this is just normal content and not first week savage raiding However keep the following in mind. this mmo uses the trinity system. Everybody has to contribute to it. If you know someone dos not have the time or want to go there own pace there is the trust.

What everybody is saying that if you are lvl 50+ then you should be aoeing nothing more nothing less. If you are at current cap not even aoe at the pull then you are a problem to the party and per yoshi him self, we can kick due to playstyle difference
you saying just create your own party can also apply to you. if you want to sit back and enjoy every aspect of the dungeon you can with your party

Why should I, if it comes to Dungeons, Raids, Duty Finder everyone is shitting their Pants, but if it's Frontline, none cares. So you can ruin in Frontlines the Game for everyone but in Dungeons it is not allowed?

[Axxion]

When's the last time you've had a dungeon last 40 minutes and how often does it happen?

Arr had a monk and ninja. I pulled in The Lost City of Amdapor. the ninja told me not pull when you have two melees. I told him you use doton and katon with your aoe.

that was way back in hw. Doing the vault , while lvling my war at the time. Had a healer that was under geared and i had to pull small because of it. Got to the last boss the healer could not keep up the heals and everybody left expect for me and the people just refilled and cleared.

Sb in doma castle had a war tank ungearded mind you like using ramuh weapon. would rush in the first mob pull and just single target we died as you can tell. i queued in as in progress. that was insane to see

Another one i had when i was doing the library. had a blm in mob pull spam blizzard.

During Neverreap had a mnk during boss fights would use bootshine into form shift for some odd reason. they thought that worked like that. Then we got to the final boss. did the same thing i lb and it didnt kill it. it dies in like two hits afterwards. I said gg. then they said thats not gg you didnt kill it with the lb , smiles and then /goodbyes me. Blacklist

Here another one. Doing Ala Mhigo, got a sch during the first pull they actually was just using phsyic. I told him. you might want to adlo more. they then told me we are fine. so after the first boss i decide to pull big. We died of obviously. they said why you pull so much. i said i want to see if you can past the test. and they said guess we are going to die. pulled small and finished it. Had some choice words for them at the end of the dungeon such as you need to understand you kit more and left. black listed them. still on my black list up to this day.

A11 normal me and my friends where doing this late 3am est. We got a tank that was not paying attention to mechanics got hit with confused wind and then had the tank buster and killed healers twice. I dont usually say anything but i had to. Asked him hey war whats going? you kinda wiping us. I know i could had said it better but it had to be said. He said you dont need me because i suck and "dced. Instead of leaving i soloed tanked it and we cleared and that was it ( sorry for the rant)

To you second part it does not anymore because the players know what is expected of them. Which is not hard. like this you pull the beginning pull of wall to wall use everything there then make your way to the third and fourth mob. by the time that mob dies your cds will be back up by the first boss

Like after mid sb to endwalkers i hardly ran into players like that when im doing my roulettes

Why should I, if it comes to Dungeons, Raids, Duty Finder everyone is shitting their Pants, but if it's Frontline, none cares. So you can ruin in Frontlines the Game for everyone but in Dungeons it is not allowed?

Honey listen. the only reason frontlines is a mess is because nobody want to work as a team an listen to call outs. As person that conducted like two years ago. if people listen and work together its fine. Heck you can come back if people listen and work together and not tunneling on the team that is not winning.

Dungeons are made for 4 players that for exp , gear etc. If i can run two dungeons in 15mins. i can run four in a hour and do something else within my day.

If you are raiding with 7 other people and/or 23 other people. If you are messing up and wiping the party. and you not trying to ask questions about the fight or having some personal issues and you caused the wipe several time. you wasted everybody times. leglty all encounters in 14 are 15 mins fights (give or take)

Example back in hw ( i know i have alot of them) during the weeping city and it was ozama. we wiped twice on it. the fight is easy after you understand it. Alliance b was messing this up. My alliance asked hey B whats going on. they replied with stfu. turns out a healer and tank was beefing. My alliance and the other alliance said in agreement. kick the problem out. Which they did and healer was no more

[Leonerdo]

Lmao wdym. If a dps is not doing any aoe they are AFK and they should be kicked, are you trolling or what. You literally spend like over a couple hundred overs getting through all the expansions, you're telling me that by level 80-90 it's ok to not even know the basics of every dungeon you've done?? Like bro even if you don't read your tooltips it's common sense lmao

And yes, kick the person if they aren't doing anything. Hitting a single target on a mob isn't doing anything. What sours my mood is when people defend this shitty behavior. I have to put effort into aoe'ing and doing things correctly enough to move things, so do you. I'm not interested in carrying or being carried lol

And it can absolutely cause wipes btw if the mobs take too long to die. CDs exist you know, tanks can run out of mits and healers/the other dps can run out of resources too.

(Sorry I'm not on the forums a lot, so I'm responding quite late.)

I don't really see people doing single-target as shitty behavior. I see it as ultra-casuals. I know there's people who play this once a week for a few hours, maybe glanced at their tooltips once, and generally have no idea what optimal gameplay looks like. It's likely their first MMO, and maybe they haven't even played anything more technical than Legend of Zelda in their life.

Moreover, the game simply does not care if you AoE or not. Trusts don't even use AoE most of the time. It's so easy to get to level 90 without learning anything, if you're just there for the story and not paying attention to game mechanics.

So on the rare occasions I see someone not using AoE, I just cringe a little, but understand that they are just fundamentally not playing the same game as me.

I know and I think they know too, that obviously I'm carrying them. But that's just what happens in games. Literally any game. Board games, ttrpgs, shooters, MOBAs, physical sports, whatever. People play on different levels. And as long as the game allows it, people can enjoy playing with others that aren't at the same level. Like when friends introduce each other to new games. Or someone plays soccer with their kid cousins. Or you go to a local tourney for whatever.

Roulettes in FFXIV are the same. We can both enjoy the game and get through it successful even though we're playing on fundamentally different levels.

Even at higher levels people get carried all the time. Every non-hardcore static has a few players who are stronger and some who are weaker. The concept doesn't offend me at all, even when taken to the maximum of "Dad who's never played an RPG tries to get caught up to his son so they can talk about the story, does literally 10% of his job and gets carried."

The game doesn't demand that everyone play perfectly. And I give strangers the benefit of the doubt that they're not griefing me for no reason.

Edit: Oh and I think I left out a crucial bit of context. I prefer to play healer, and often play tank for the Adventurer-in-Need bonus. And I'm perfectly capable of carrying 99% of dungeon groups. So like I said in my original post, there's got to be more than one bad party member in order for wipes to happen. (In my experience. Your mileage may vary of course.)