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    Quote Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai View Post
    Kage said it best, Endwalker was influenced by the big green dinosaur man up top way too much and his influence needs to be severely curtailed if Final Fantasy XIV wishes to have a future worth taking pride in.
    And for every person who says this, there's 10 people pointing out that they love EW, are extremely proud of it, and are entirely pleased with the current direction of the game. You might not feel that way, by acting like some almighty arbiter of truth when you're giving a personal opinion just comes off as very immature. Personally, I hope Yoshi-P continues his involvement as he's been doing. There's a reason EW has the highest playerbase, highest late-patch retention, and is usually ranked among the Top-2 expansions (along with ShB).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    And for every person who says this, there's 10 people pointing out that they love EW, are extremely proud of it, and are entirely pleased with the current direction of the game. You might not feel that way, by acting like some almighty arbiter of truth when you're giving a personal opinion just comes off as very immature. Personally, I hope Yoshi-P continues his involvement as he's been doing. There's a reason EW has the highest playerbase, highest late-patch retention, and is usually ranked among the Top-2 expansions (along with ShB).
    "How dare you have a different opinion than the mainstream one!!!! You must respect my majoritah!!!!" -every Striker post ever.

    Do you have ANY other lines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44 View Post
    "How dare you have a different opinion than the mainstream one!!!! You must respect my majoritah!!!!" -every Striker post ever.

    Do you have ANY other lines?

    Do you have any other snarky responses than one single image, or is your entire discourse stuck in early 90s teenage edginess?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    Do you have any other snarky responses than one single image, or is your entire discourse stuck in early 90s teenage edginess?
    I'll get a new image when he gets a new line. This one still fits too well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    And for every person who says this, there's 10 people pointing out that they love EW, are extremely proud of it, and are entirely pleased with the current direction of the game. You might not feel that way, by acting like some almighty arbiter of truth when you're giving a personal opinion just comes off as very immature. Personally, I hope Yoshi-P continues his involvement as he's been doing. There's a reason EW has the highest playerbase, highest late-patch retention, and is usually ranked among the Top-2 expansions (along with ShB).
    I struggle to see what precisely you believe yourself to be accomplishing with this stagnated, near constant party line. Maybe I'm an immature overlord arbiter of truth, maybe I'm not. But it doesn't matter. I disagree with you, you disagree with me and frankly I'm not gonna waste the time and energy arguing that nonsensical point with you. I come here to say what I came to say and leave, not to convince or be convinced by others whose authoritarian behaviour really doesn't reflect much better on them than what they perceive mine to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    Do you have any other snarky responses than one single image, or is your entire discourse stuck in early 90s teenage edginess?
    Quote Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44 View Post
    I'll get a new image when he gets a new line. This one still fits too well.
    When the other person lacks creativity so that they constantly regurgitate the same party line, they aren't WORTHY of any extra effort they themselves refuse to engage you with, Cleretic. As for your honored self, it may behoove you to reflect on if it truly makes you appear to be some righteous moral paragon if your only discourse can be quoted as '90s teenage edginess'. You can't convince anyone if you can be best described as '90s Hermione-style holier-than-thouness'. Such fails to convince anyone, humans don't respond well to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    I'd certainly really enjoy that story, but I think we're in a weird place to approach it. The angle for post-6.0 seems to be that to do whole new stories that aren't tied too heavily to everything that came before (with the Thirteenth being a uniquely strong position for transitioning there, since it's technically an old loose end but one that's never really gotten explored), which is completely fair and probably smart, but it leaves certain parts of the story in weird states, and the Empire and their previously-occupied territories is probably the biggest. Yeah, they're in a position where an epilogue would probably be interesting, but it kinda can't be the main story if they want to do a clean break that people don't have to worry too much about pre-existing info for.

    Which honestly I think is probably better, because there's not much that story could do that wasn't already done by 4.x and Bozja, especially if it's a 'main' story that therefore has to somehow incorporate a large amount of combat; Bozja was already retreading a lot of the same notes as Stormblood. Garlean stuff is best suited for the sideline right now, the sort of content that actually is completely fine with centering stuff that isn't combat or broad audience appeal. We've wrung 'Garlemald and occupied territories as a core for combat content' dry, but we haven't really tapped into it for crafting and gathering content, nor for 100% story-driven content like Hildibrand or The Paths We Walk; the closest we got to the latter was Omega's 6.1 questline, but that didn't dwell on them long.
    See, that's the crux of the issue though. Square clearly can't decide if they actually WANT to have a 'clean break' from pre-existing plotlines and threats and the post-EW patches proves this. We very well COULD HAVE had new adventures, new plotlines, and perhaps most importantly new and differing and diversive cast members, but instead we're stuck with at least three Scions at any given time and are already right back to pre-existent, high-stakes threats in the Void. As it is, 'Newfound Adventure' lasted for like.... 3 quests of a single patch.

    If Square wants us to believe we're getting any Newfound Adventure, they're failing at it SO HARD right now. It comes off as more of a convenient excuse, which is a really shitty precedent that Endwalker established as prevalent that it would benefit them to break from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai View Post
    I struggle to see what precisely you believe yourself to be accomplishing with this stagnated, near constant party line. Maybe I'm an immature overlord arbiter of truth, maybe I'm not. But it doesn't matter. I disagree with you, you disagree with me and frankly I'm not gonna waste the time and energy arguing that nonsensical point with you. I come here to say what I came to say and leave, not to convince or be convinced by others whose authoritarian behaviour really doesn't reflect much better on them than what they perceive mine to.





    When the other person lacks creativity so that they constantly regurgitate the same party line, they aren't WORTHY of any extra effort they themselves refuse to engage you with, Cleretic. As for your honored self, it may behoove you to reflect on if it truly makes you appear to be some righteous moral paragon if your only discourse can be quoted as '90s teenage edginess'. You can't convince anyone if you can be best described as '90s Hermione-style holier-than-thouness'. Such fails to convince anyone, humans don't respond well to it.



    See, that's the crux of the issue though. Square clearly can't decide if they actually WANT to have a 'clean break' from pre-existing plotlines and threats and the post-EW patches proves this. We very well COULD HAVE had new adventures, new plotlines, and perhaps most importantly new and differing and diversive cast members, but instead we're stuck with at least three Scions at any given time and are already right back to pre-existent, high-stakes threats in the Void. As it is, 'Newfound Adventure' lasted for like.... 3 quests of a single patch.

    If Square wants us to believe we're getting any Newfound Adventure, they're failing at it SO HARD right now. It comes off as more of a convenient excuse, which is a really shitty precedent that Endwalker established as prevalent that it would benefit them to break from.
    Perhaps you struggle with counting, and if so apologies, but we spent all of 6.2 with exactly 2 Scions. One character introduced in base EW, and one new character who was only properly introduced in 6.2 itself. None of the other Scions showed up at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slatersev View Post
    Perhaps you struggle with counting, and if so apologies, but we spent all of 6.2 with exactly 2 Scions. One character introduced in base EW, and one new character who was only properly introduced in 6.2 itself. None of the other Scions showed up at all.
    Yes, you got me. I disagree with you, therefore I cannot comprehend basic mathematics and arithmetic and completely flunked the entirety of junior high. Excellent counterargument. Aveyond got that right I suppose, the 'state of the defense squad' indeed. But honestly? It's no biggie. I'm used to personal attacks by now, apologies for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai View Post
    If Square wants us to believe we're getting any Newfound Adventure, they're failing at it SO HARD right now. It comes off as more of a convenient excuse, which is a really shitty precedent that Endwalker established as prevalent that it would benefit them to break from.
    Come now. The Expansions have always been built out to resolve the current expansion in the x.3 release, which is not out yet, with x.4 and x.5 gearing up for the next expansion. Newfound Adventure won't actually start showing up in-game until next April at the earliest.

    The title in 6.1 was more aspirational than declarative. We're no longer dealing with Primals, Ascians, or World-destruction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    Come now. The Expansions have always been built out to resolve the current expansion in the x.3 release, which is not out yet, with x.4 and x.5 gearing up for the next expansion. Newfound Adventure won't actually start showing up in-game until next April at the earliest.
    Except, they said this set of patches was the exception and not the rule. Also, double post. ;3

    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    This is a decidedly Western viewpoint. Valid from your perspective, sure.

    But in a society where ongoing visual media series are just hitting their stride after 10 years, it is way off the mark.

    Detective Conan, sitting at 900+ episodes at this time, is a case in point. As is JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, now getting close to 40 years in print. Black Butler is almost at the 200 mark. (ok, ok, #193 just came out last week).

    If Tolkien had been writing Japanese serials, Frodo might still be on the way to Mordor.
    "Western".

    Okay, scrub. Contemplate the worth of coming to the table with a valid counterpoint next time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kazemon15 View Post
    If that's the case, what he says boils down to "Blah blah blah, you're wrong and I'm right, that's a fact" is just as toxic, but I don't see anyone saying that to him.

    But whatever, time to go do more of the new content instead of wasting time here.
    I'd believe you, if he in any way, shape or form actually said any such thing. Being interpreted in the worst possible light by a known bad-faith poster is not grounds for toxicity, nor proof of its existence. Anywhoozies, Bye Felicia~
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    Quote Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai View Post
    Except, they said this set of patches was the exception and not the rule. Also, double post.
    The "exception" only applies to "we'll finish the currently story line in patches 6.1, 6.2, 6.3".

    What does "double post" mean? I see only my original post with an additional line.
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