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    Player Nyxs's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post

    So, in a way, they're re-framing toxic masculinity by saying that "Well Sadu is a woman, she just happened to be a man before and she's acting as one". I don't know how much this can relate to trans people, and I've seen enough conversations on that to know that this is the can of worms that shouldn't be opened in these forums... But she is being justified too quickly for being presented as a woman. If we framed it back to her past life, we likely wouldn't find any of her mannerisms endearing. Imagine a male Sadu acting the exact same way toward Cirina and loudly proclaim he'd take every woman in the Steppe. Again: Magnai at least asks you. And the moment you turn him down, he laments it but doesn't make any further advances. Yes, it's still creepy for him to do it, it's still a negative aspect about his personality and it's fine to point that out. But a lot comes at Magnai's expense when Sadu is clearly doing worse and getting away with it.
    Sadu is a woman born a woman so it doesnt relate at all to them at all. Her former life she was a man but she isn’t man.So they are grasping at straws while also preaching about former self not being your current. It’s disappointing.
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    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyxs View Post
    Sadu is a woman born a woman so it doesnt relate at all to them at all. Her former life she was a man but she isn’t man.So they are grasping at straws while also preaching about former self not being your current. It’s disappointing.
    Oh I mentioned trans people there because that's what SentioftheHoukai mentioned, "Trans-Soul". I don't know enough about trans people to comment on it, and I personally also don't think it relates to them at all. Hence why I said "I don't know how much this can relate to trans people", and the rest of the post didn't mention trans people at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyxs View Post
    Sadu is a woman born a woman so it doesnt relate at all to them at all. Her former life she was a man but she isn’t man.So they are grasping at straws while also preaching about former self not being your current. It’s disappointing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    Oh I mentioned trans people there because that's what SentioftheHoukai mentioned, "Trans-Soul". I don't know enough about trans people to comment on it, and I personally also don't think it relates to them at all. Hence why I said "I don't know how much this can relate to trans people", and the rest of the post didn't mention trans people at all.
    Honestly, the trans bit is just how I saw it. Feels relevant to me, since her being a former man and reincarnating into a different physical body, but possessing ultimately similar personality characteristics is actively brought up as plot point in-game during the same segment Dotharl beliefs are discussed. Not irrelevant or unmentioned and thus invalidated as a view, after all.

    Or can you tell me that if you died and were reborn as the opposite gender in physicality alone, but retained your former memories and identity that no disconnect would be felt? I might myself, but then my gender has never factored into my identity so the chances are admittedly iffy.
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    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai View Post
    Honestly, the trans bit is just how I saw it. Feels relevant to me, since her being a former man and reincarnating into a different physical body, but possessing ultimately similar personality characteristics is actively brought up as plot point in-game during the same segment Dotharl beliefs are discussed. Not irrelevant or unmentioned and thus invalidated as a view, after all.

    Or can you tell me that if you died and were reborn as the opposite gender in physicality alone, but retained your former memories and identity that no disconnect would be felt? I might myself, but then my gender has never factored into my identity so the chances are admittedly iffy.
    They don't really retain their previous memories though, do they? I thought the dynamic was that people around them told them of who they were and they'd grow up based on that expectation. Many of them don't possess the same talents as before and have to work them up. Meaning Sadu likely grew up listening to stories about who she was as a man, and it was either expected of her to behave like her previous incarnation, or this stems from her interpretation of those stories. I can see how trans people might relate, but I can't speak for their experiences, which is why I acknowledge the thought but try not to go too deep into it.

    For me the curious aspect is more so how Sadu presents herself and how her behaviour is presented with a justification. Especially when she's caustic, insolent and abrasive, yet no one bats an eye. Because it seems to be expected of her based on her past self, mixed in with a bit of her own innate "Sadu-body" personality. It could be Sadu herself is an already insolent woman, exacerbated by the traits that were seen as acceptable in her male selves. Regardless, I do think there's a double-standard, and Magnai is taking the brunt of it. Not that it excuses his behaviour, mind you. But whether or not Sadu is justified in hers often goes entirely unmentioned.
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