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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    They also don't wield the resistance weapons themselves (which would for their respective jobs have been Ingrimm and Crownsblade). Apparently, their weapons are actually custom models we don't get at all, but I believe there's 'close enough's.
    I'm not sure about gunblades, but Bajsaljen's staff just seems to be the Prester from Sohm Al. I haven't compared pictures directly but I don't think they'd changed the colour scheme or anything. Seems a bit strange for them to need custom models.


    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    To add to this, there are exactly 12 Blades (13 technically if you include our character). 10 were transformed into the bosses of Delebrum. The remaining 2? Lovro, and his apprentice Meryall, the only 2 survivors.
    Where do you get that number from? If you're just arriving at it by counting how many characters we are aware of, then of course your total can be "all accounted for" because you haven't allowed for any characters that we didn't directly meet.

    I would expect the total number to match the total number of weapons, at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Where do you get that number from? If you're just arriving at it by counting how many characters we are aware of, then of course your total can be "all accounted for" because you haven't allowed for any characters that we didn't directly meet.

    I would expect the total number to match the total number of weapons, at least.
    Meryall's field record specifically says she was the only Blade not Tempered.
    When the Resistance stormed Castrum Lacus Litore, a detachment was tasked with cutting off the imperials' Dalmascan supply line by means of a surprise attack at the port city of Kralja. This joint mission was headed by Meryall of Gunnhildr's Blades. With calmness and composure well beyond her years, she led the operation to a rousing success. And it was because of this mission that she is the only of Gunnhildr's Blades who escaped the influence of Queen Gunnhildr.

    We've only seen 11 Tempered Blades. 10 of whom we fought and killed in Delebrum, and the last we successfully saved in Zadnor during a Critical Engagement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Meryall's field record specifically says she was the only Blade not Tempered.
    When the Resistance stormed Castrum Lacus Litore, a detachment was tasked with cutting off the imperials' Dalmascan supply line by means of a surprise attack at the port city of Kralja. This joint mission was headed by Meryall of Gunnhildr's Blades. With calmness and composure well beyond her years, she led the operation to a rousing success. And it was because of this mission that she is the only of Gunnhildr's Blades who escaped the influence of Queen Gunnhildr.

    We've only seen 11 Tempered Blades. 10 of whom we fought and killed in Delebrum, and the last we successfully saved in Zadnor during a Critical Engagement.
    That still doesn't tell us that twelve was the total number. There could have been additional members captured and/or tempered off-screen - not that it really matters in the end, but I still wouldn't definitively say there are only twelve altogether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I'm not sure about gunblades, but Bajsaljen's staff just seems to be the Prester from Sohm Al. I haven't compared pictures directly but I don't think they'd changed the colour scheme or anything. Seems a bit strange for them to need custom models.
    Specifically I got that from checking Garland Tools; if something's not attainable, they list it as 'Custom'. But that's any level of custom, so they wouldn't be able to recognize it if it were, say, an existing model but textured differently, which I think is what happened here.

    Marsak's weapon actually looks to be a mashup of the Molybdenum and Nabaath gunblades, which share the same model but different textures; one has a dark blade but colored hilt, the other a dark hilt but a colored blade. Marsak looks to have a version with both a dark hilt and blade. Bajsaljen's Prester I can't really tell, but that might be because all my footage of Bajsaljen with his staff is pretty low-light.

    EDIT: Cross-referencing with Gamerescape, it looks like Garland Tools might be getting confused by these two having a weird situation of having weapons but their default appearance not having one, because Gamerescape just lists Prester and the Molybdenum Gunblade. Regardless, neither of them are wielding any of the resistance weapons!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    Cross-referencing with Gamerescape, it looks like Garland Tools might be getting confused by these two having a weird situation of having weapons but their default appearance not having one, because Gamerescape just lists Prester and the Molybdenum Gunblade.
    Good point on that, which made me think to check the "alternate instances" tab for the characters.

    So it seems that this version of Bajsaljen for example does simply have Prester equipped, and Marsak has the Molybdenum Gunblade.

    I'm not sure why they have custom weapons and offhand weapons in the other scenes, though; NPCs without weapons normally just don't have one equipped. Perhaps these characters are still set up as battle NPCs even in non-battle scenes where they don't have weapons visible, but the system needs something in the slot?
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