Highly Notorious Monsters

[Ruisu]

"Roaming Dragons."

Sounds cool

"Giant Beasts."

Fucking awesome

"High Respawn Timers."

God no.

"Amazing Gear."

GOD no.

Stop trying to make this game into a time sink.

[Levian]

I thought all games were time sinks.

[Yves]

Hey Drew Sleeze is a jerk, don't kid yourself. I love how he tries to act horrified by the whole bounty scandal. The coach too, they have him on record telling the people involved "just have your stories straight". They made a big deal about him breaking Dan Marino's passing record, yeah well he did it by being an asshole and stacking points against other teams all year. Even if we wasn't involved in the bounty he still does enough dickish moves on his own.

And so what if he's done community service, he's only doing it for his image. Most of the time with celebrities that's all it is, and I've always said be wary of somebody who's too into charity work. A lot of times it's compensation for bad things they've done, I always ask myself what have they done that they're trying to make up for?

P.S. Ghandi was a pedophile, and is responsible for Pakistan being in existence.

So by your standard all athletes are jerks. Like I said, this is flatly untrue. If you are saying there is a higher probability I would be veeeeery inclined to buy that as a true statement.

And look, I am going to assume that you played football if you have friends in the NFL. I did for over 18 years. As a guy who played SS, Mike, Sam, Will, and DE I can attest that once you're in that locker room, clubhouse, or field the constraints of morality are pretty much gone. Yes, you feel bad after the game for what you did but you did it because it's your damn job. As a Mike, my job on running formations was to pound the A gaps and break whoever came through there first and make them never want to do it again. On passing situations we ran a variation of a shallow Tampa-2 which meant that my job was to put whoever came across my zones on their ass if the ball came into the vicinity. As a Will on overload blitzes I went facemask-to-facemask with the QB and believe me - the shit you say on the field is just awful. But that's the game. That's the culture during preparation and during play. But afterwards, it's all about the brotherhood. So, framing football as it actually exists, a bounty scandal is in bad taste and against the rules but only because it involves money. If you played D or O-Line or FB/TE and never once took some pride in putting a guy on the sidelines for a day because you dished out more punishment than he could handle you certainly weren't playing the same game as me. And let's be honest - when you drop another man onto the bench for the day you get mad props when your series is over.

Like I said, I felt bad after the game was over. Hell - I broke a QB's collarbone on a borderline late hit and he and I are great friends 10 years later.

On-topic, I obviously advocate the return of the HNM but prefer it to be for trivial items simply because it will provide with the content we like but also appease many of the objections.

[Ruisu]

I thought all games were time sinks.

You should start playing better games if you feel as though you're wasting time. Or pick up a new hobby.

[ArnoMorley]

So by your standard all athletes are jerks. Like I said, this is flatly untrue. If you are saying there is a higher probability I would be veeeeery inclined to buy that as a true statement.

And look, I am going to assume that you played football if you have friends in the NFL. I did for over 18 years. As a guy who played SS, Mike, Sam, Will, and DE I can attest that once you're in that locker room, clubhouse, or field the constraints of morality are pretty much gone. Yes, you feel bad after the game for what you did but you did it because it's your damn job. As a Mike, my job on running formations was to pound the A gaps and break whoever came through there first and make them never want to do it again. On passing situations we ran a variation of a shallow Tampa-2 which meant that my job was to put whoever came across my zones on their ass if the ball came into the vicinity. As a Will on overload blitzes I went facemask-to-facemask with the QB and believe me - the shit you say on the field is just awful. But that's the game. That's the culture during preparation and during play. But afterwards, it's all about the brotherhood. So, framing football as it actually exists, a bounty scandal is in bad taste and against the rules but only because it involves money. If you played D or O-Line or FB/TE and never once took some pride in putting a guy on the sidelines for a day because you dished out more punishment than he could handle you certainly weren't playing the same game as me. And let's be honest - when you drop another man onto the bench for the day you get mad props when your series is over.

Like I said, I felt bad after the game was over. Hell - I broke a QB's collarbone on a borderline late hit and he and I are great friends 10 years later.

On-topic, I obviously advocate the return of the HNM but prefer it to be for trivial items simply because it will provide with the content we like but also appease many of the objections.

I think there's a difference between being tough on the field and just being classless. I lost all respect for new orleans saints back in the 09 NFC championship going after Favre like they did. Basically trying to cripple a guy so that they'd win, of course the refs helped them. I wonder if the refs had been bought out, they didn't call a single roughing the passer when they should have until he actually got injured then they called the wrong penalty.

I respect tough defense but I think there's a limit. When the panthers played Favre that year Peppers was just wrapping favre and bringing him to the ground. Saints were spearing him and hitting him in the legs, that crap's uncalled for. I think they won the SB fair and square, but the NFC championship should have a * next to it.

You should start playing better games if you feel as though you're wasting time. Or pick up a new hobby.

You know RPGs are supposed to have long character development, that goes back to the first one that ever hit the market. If you don't like RPGs go play something else. The less like an RPG FF becomes the more it keeps declining. Been going down since the big merger because they keep aiming for this "New Generation".

[Yves]

I think there's a difference between being tough on the field and just being classless. I lost all respect for new orleans saints back in the 09 NFC championship going after Favre like they did. Basically trying to cripple a guy so that they'd win, of course the refs helped them. I wonder if the refs had been bought out, they didn't call a single roughing the passer when they should have until he actually got injured then they called the wrong penalty.

I respect tough defense but I think there's a limit. When the panthers played Favre that year Peppers was just wrapping favre and bringing him to the ground. Saints were spearing him and hitting him in the legs, that crap's uncalled for. I think they won the SB fair and square, but the NFC championship should have a * next to it.

Dood I am about to sh*t bricks if you're a Vikes fan because I live in SE MN lmao. But yeah, I think we're speaking the same language now - we just came from different viewpoints. ^^

And yeah, I think there is a generational gap when it comes to RPG/MMO. Many of the current generation favor a quicker game with huge emphasis on the end-game content. I don't mind the grind - I loved it in XI. Then again, I played the original FF on the NES (back when you had to hold reset before powering down.)

[ArnoMorley]

Dood I am about to sh*t bricks if you're a Vikes fan because I live in SE MN lmao. But yeah, I think we're speaking the same language now - we just came from different viewpoints. ^^

And yeah, I think there is a generational gap when it comes to RPG/MMO. Many of the current generation favor a quicker game with huge emphasis on the end-game content. I don't mind the grind - I loved it in XI. Then again, I played the original FF on the NES (back when you had to hold reset before powering down.)

I think the vikes are my number 2 team, my first team will always be the panthers.

Must be a bunch of teenagers wanting this easy crap lol, I'm 21 and I want the hard core stuff. You know the easy mode stuff like guiding you to every objective works on skyrim but that's not how it should be in RPGs. I miss detective work, asking around for clues and what not.

They keep making FF more and more mainstream and it's killing the series. People try to say 6mil in sales is a good thing for XIII, it's big but it's less than it's predecessors. X sold 6.6mil and was released in 2002, there's about a billion more people in the world now than there was then. To match X they'd have to sell 7-8 million. And of course to match FF7 they'd have to sell 12-13mil.

[illriginalized]

lol highly?

In America we call it, "HYPER".

Ugh... OP you failed right at the start with the title of the thread.

Edit: Acronym Finder: HNM stands for Hyper Notorious Monster (Final Fantasy gaming).

[Abhayaa]

There's always been disagreement on what the H stands for. It was an acronym created by Japanese players. Most people put in "High" "Hyper" or "Hard".
What it stands for is beside the point.

[DrekeLamorte]

lol highly?

In America we call it, "HYPER".

Ugh... OP you failed right at the start with the title of the thread.

Edit: Acronym Finder: HNM stands for Hyper Notorious Monster (Final Fantasy gaming).

Nuance. And completely off-topic. And you just embarrassed Americans by even mentioning that your American in a personal attack. Like we don't get enough shit from the rest of the world for being simple closed-minded pricks.

I'd definitely be down for more NMs and content. Tougher mobs, that roam around and take 4-8(or 11hatersbedamned 16 or 24) hours. As long as it doesn't follow the same pitfall of being a game changing, must-have piece which sets the standards for each players job in the game. Those things are important, and I really hate to agree with the "new generation" mentality that completely rejects anything old (even though everything is old, just recycled and combined in creative ways,) but HNMs should only be introduced if you can log on, and obtain a step-by-step process of obtaining a pop item, or have a guaranteed chance at seeing the mob in a 3 hour window, with a moderate drop rate.

I hate the aversion to camping PH NMs with a ~1.5% drop rate for 3 weeks 5 hours at a time. I EARNED that damnit. I PAID for it damnit. I also am part of the "new generation" as well as the old. So I don't get where these people coming in an demanding their frosting on their ice cream cake be designed with them riding a dinosaur on it in 17 different colors in less than 2 hours because the sign said any cake design is $12.99. This isn't BK. And before anyone says the typical response, niche markets are where its at. If you understood business, you'd understand that you have 2 choices. Appease the masses, as many as you can, and make instant profit. Or you make quality to a target audience and have it pay off in the long run. Where do you think Blizzard stands? What situation does SE feel like they're in now? They already have the cult following, and the fanboys. They've been giving us as much as they can for 2 years, and that's long time for an investment with hardly any funds in return. To assume otherwise, is XBOXish. Go throw your money at something else if you cant stand time sinks. That's MMOs and if it changes, the genre will die out in <10 years, or until someone revolutionizes it again.