Highly Notorious Monsters

[ThePatriarch]

Im not saying they shouldn't drop great gear. If you are willing to take the headache of going after them more power to you and the LS that wants to do so. What I am saying is do not make it the end all be all gear because there are those of us who are willing to put in just as much if not more work to attain the same level of desirable gear without that particular headache give us an alternative headache to choose between simultaneously.

Thanks for sharing your opinions. While I agree that the vast majority do not want the camping frustrations and headaches, alot of us would like to see HNM's have great gear to drop. I think that instanced raids should have some amazing gear, but at the same time I think NM/HNM's should have some amazing drops too.

i.e: Relics/AF from Dynamis. Ridill/Defending Ring from HNM's. MonsterSigna/O.Kotes from Smaller Open world NM's, etc.

[CrystalWeapon]

I'm actually in XI right now talking to old friends. People I have played with for 8 + years. One of which has had several endgame linkshells over the years. I've been to dynamis, limbus, salvage, nyzul, einherjar, assaults, sky with this guy before. I asked him for his honest opinion on the subject of 24 hour nms and if he enjoyed farming them. His exact answer was, and I'm directly quoting him. "Fuck that noise."

Several of my friends who have been around for longer than I have, and who still play had similar responses. 586 days of playtime for xi here, and none of that is afk bazaaring on my main. I don't know where you guys get your figures at that you are the majority but I call bull and I can play that game too.

95.8% of all statistics quoted on the internet are pulled straight out of people's rear ends. True story, the majority of the players here agree with me on that.

[Clydey]

I'm actually in XI right now talking to old friends. People I have played with for 8 + years. One of which has had several endgame linkshells over the years. I've been to dynamis, limbus, salvage, nyzul, einherjar, assaults, sky with this guy before. I asked him for his honest opinion on the subject of 24 hour nms and if he enjoyed farming them. His exact answer was, and I'm directly quoting him. "Fuck that noise."

Several of my friends who have been around for longer than I have, and who still play had similar responses. 586 days of playtime for xi here, and none of that is afk bazaaring on my main. I don't know where you guys get your figures at that you are the majority but I call bull and I can play that game too.

95.8% of all statistics quoted on the internet are pulled straight out of people's rear ends. True story, the majority of the players here agree with me on that.

You'll forgive me if I find your sample of 1 unpersuasive.

I have no idea why this discussion has to be in any way confrontational. It's all about personal preference.

[Abhayaa]

I don't think any of us here are promoting the same 24 hour spawn system as XI. It's not surprising that XI players don't want that. The 3 hour window kind of sucked, hands down.

[Levian]

I thought all games were time sinks.

[Ruisu]

I thought all games were time sinks.

You should start playing better games if you feel as though you're wasting time. Or pick up a new hobby.

[ArnoMorley]

So by your standard all athletes are jerks. Like I said, this is flatly untrue. If you are saying there is a higher probability I would be veeeeery inclined to buy that as a true statement.

And look, I am going to assume that you played football if you have friends in the NFL. I did for over 18 years. As a guy who played SS, Mike, Sam, Will, and DE I can attest that once you're in that locker room, clubhouse, or field the constraints of morality are pretty much gone. Yes, you feel bad after the game for what you did but you did it because it's your damn job. As a Mike, my job on running formations was to pound the A gaps and break whoever came through there first and make them never want to do it again. On passing situations we ran a variation of a shallow Tampa-2 which meant that my job was to put whoever came across my zones on their ass if the ball came into the vicinity. As a Will on overload blitzes I went facemask-to-facemask with the QB and believe me - the shit you say on the field is just awful. But that's the game. That's the culture during preparation and during play. But afterwards, it's all about the brotherhood. So, framing football as it actually exists, a bounty scandal is in bad taste and against the rules but only because it involves money. If you played D or O-Line or FB/TE and never once took some pride in putting a guy on the sidelines for a day because you dished out more punishment than he could handle you certainly weren't playing the same game as me. And let's be honest - when you drop another man onto the bench for the day you get mad props when your series is over.

Like I said, I felt bad after the game was over. Hell - I broke a QB's collarbone on a borderline late hit and he and I are great friends 10 years later.

On-topic, I obviously advocate the return of the HNM but prefer it to be for trivial items simply because it will provide with the content we like but also appease many of the objections.

I think there's a difference between being tough on the field and just being classless. I lost all respect for new orleans saints back in the 09 NFC championship going after Favre like they did. Basically trying to cripple a guy so that they'd win, of course the refs helped them. I wonder if the refs had been bought out, they didn't call a single roughing the passer when they should have until he actually got injured then they called the wrong penalty.

I respect tough defense but I think there's a limit. When the panthers played Favre that year Peppers was just wrapping favre and bringing him to the ground. Saints were spearing him and hitting him in the legs, that crap's uncalled for. I think they won the SB fair and square, but the NFC championship should have a * next to it.

You should start playing better games if you feel as though you're wasting time. Or pick up a new hobby.

You know RPGs are supposed to have long character development, that goes back to the first one that ever hit the market. If you don't like RPGs go play something else. The less like an RPG FF becomes the more it keeps declining. Been going down since the big merger because they keep aiming for this "New Generation".

[Yves]

I think there's a difference between being tough on the field and just being classless. I lost all respect for new orleans saints back in the 09 NFC championship going after Favre like they did. Basically trying to cripple a guy so that they'd win, of course the refs helped them. I wonder if the refs had been bought out, they didn't call a single roughing the passer when they should have until he actually got injured then they called the wrong penalty.

I respect tough defense but I think there's a limit. When the panthers played Favre that year Peppers was just wrapping favre and bringing him to the ground. Saints were spearing him and hitting him in the legs, that crap's uncalled for. I think they won the SB fair and square, but the NFC championship should have a * next to it.

Dood I am about to sh*t bricks if you're a Vikes fan because I live in SE MN lmao. But yeah, I think we're speaking the same language now - we just came from different viewpoints. ^^

And yeah, I think there is a generational gap when it comes to RPG/MMO. Many of the current generation favor a quicker game with huge emphasis on the end-game content. I don't mind the grind - I loved it in XI. Then again, I played the original FF on the NES (back when you had to hold reset before powering down.)

[ArnoMorley]

Dood I am about to sh*t bricks if you're a Vikes fan because I live in SE MN lmao. But yeah, I think we're speaking the same language now - we just came from different viewpoints. ^^

And yeah, I think there is a generational gap when it comes to RPG/MMO. Many of the current generation favor a quicker game with huge emphasis on the end-game content. I don't mind the grind - I loved it in XI. Then again, I played the original FF on the NES (back when you had to hold reset before powering down.)

I think the vikes are my number 2 team, my first team will always be the panthers.

Must be a bunch of teenagers wanting this easy crap lol, I'm 21 and I want the hard core stuff. You know the easy mode stuff like guiding you to every objective works on skyrim but that's not how it should be in RPGs. I miss detective work, asking around for clues and what not.

They keep making FF more and more mainstream and it's killing the series. People try to say 6mil in sales is a good thing for XIII, it's big but it's less than it's predecessors. X sold 6.6mil and was released in 2002, there's about a billion more people in the world now than there was then. To match X they'd have to sell 7-8 million. And of course to match FF7 they'd have to sell 12-13mil.

[illriginalized]

lol highly?

In America we call it, "HYPER".

Ugh... OP you failed right at the start with the title of the thread.

Edit: Acronym Finder: HNM stands for Hyper Notorious Monster (Final Fantasy gaming).