Anyone else just feeling really disapointed this expansion?*vent*

[ReynTime]

Tencent/Riot is making an MMO? Eh, I don't like the mogshop here so I doubt Tencent will be able to keep it in their pants. I would not be shocked if it was a Guild Wars/ESO sort of deal where they will just charge for everything once you buy the base game.

There is a chance they might follow that monetization type, but Riot's history suggests they believe going full free to play is key to their success. The big question is how aggressive the MTX will be this time, because in terms of cost and return a MMORPG is a very different beast to everything else they have done so far. If they manage to keep their arguably unintrusive model, even thought I wouldn't touch any LoL related product with a ten-foot pole they'd be well deserved of commendations.

[Raoabolic]

There is a chance they might follow that monetization type, but Riot's history suggests they believe going full free to play is key to their success. The big question is how aggressive the MTX will be this time, because in terms of cost and return a MMORPG is a very different beast to everything else they have done so far. If they manage to keep their arguably unintrusive model, even thought I wouldn't touch any LoL related product with a ten-foot pole they'd be well deserved of commendations.

Tencent holds the keys to the kingdom. Again, I doubt they will be able to hold it back if they even bother, lol. I'm with you on the second half though, I loved Titanfall 1 and 2 despite EA. Even then EA had to go "No, this is too much fun and not enough profits! Shut it down!". :/

[aveyond-dreams]

That $40 per expac is really just charging for the story mode, they don’t really expect you to continue playing long after that.

Yoshida and our community agree that FFXIV is not a live-service product and should never be played as such. You pay for the content, you finish it, and then you leave. This isn’t like WoW or Guild Wars 2 or ESO. It’s sad that people got the wrong idea when buying this game, but it’s up to the customer to do proper research before buying.

Ok, so if I’m supposed to regard a game that’s an MMORPG whether you believe so or no as a single player game, then I’m sorry to say that FFXIV is hardly one that I could recommend. Not with a 50 hour tutorial that has terrible battle gameplay that in some cases extends far beyond that with certain classes, or a story conclusion that was as catastrophic as Endwalker’s was.

For those of us who are primarily single player gamers, here’s some stuff to play instead:

• The Witcher 3 (the means now exists to play using Henry Cavill’s face rather than the default one)
• Octopath Traveller (and its sequel coming soon)
• Dragon Age Origins, II, and Inquisition (better parties, more mature storytelling that is largely absent in modern day FFXIV)
• The Diofield Chronicle (high fantasy world that takes itself seriously)
• Fire Emblem 3 Houses (more player agency, more lovable characters)
• Resident Evil 2, 3, and 8 (with a remake of 4 on the way)
• Nier and Nier Automata (for those who tire of FFXIV's insufferable hero worship and I-Win! gizmos)
• the entire rest of the mainline FF series

If merely a single player experience that’s one and done is what you’re after, better to go down this list. Or alternatively, assuming you can make it past ARR which is an extraordinary feat these days, probably best to just quit at 5.3, prior to when everything in the main story started going downhill. As for me, I turn in my leves once every 2 weeks and watch the situation unfold from a distance. Disconnected as I am, it’ll be too easy to part ways should 7.0 be poised to fail in delivering what FFXIV needs most in terms of story and gameplay.

[Hanayumi]

Odd thing about Ffxiv is that unless you enjoy keeping up with the endgame content like raids and such youre kinda better off coming in around the end of an expansion cycle.

[Raoabolic]

• Dragon Age Origins, II, and Inquisition (better parties, more mature storytelling that is largely absent in modern day FFXIV)

Didn't DA2 and Inquisition get panned for it's story and regressive feeling combat compared to Origins? Also, I would be a bit selective when telling people to play "all the FF mainline series". Don't you remember the ending of 13-3? I do. It somehow went so weird and silly it became funny. I mean... Paris? Seriously? lmao

[Byakuya690]

yeah i know how you feel, this expac just feels bad to me.
and on top of that all the problems FF14 now has at least for me, i raid in pf and it is horrible.

the loot system is so outdated it isnt funny. trying to gear up is just horrible 5 weeks in and havent won a single roll. so since i need 3 accesories out of P5s it is going to take me 12 weeks prob of clear just for 1 class. P6,7 and 8 is in the same boat.
last 2 primals were also bad for pf, so no fun there.
last time i actually had fun in a raid tier was prob E4s.
so many classes need rework and not like the smn one (i liked old smn)

and on top of that the balancing issues it has both in pvp and pve.
think this might be it for me to, specially when they say we have the roadmap for the next 10 years and there are so many problems right now.

[Awarewolf]

I started to zone out once we started playing dressup with the bunnies when the world was supposed to be ending. I was fully clocked out during ultima thule segment with the fake sense of loss..
I stayed subbed just for the lottery release back in 6.1, in hopes of getting a house.
You guys know how that went, the "no winner bug" didn't get repaired for a month. In a game you have to sub for! Now plots have 150+ competitors.

I un-subscribed back then for almost 2 months and came back for 6.2 island content. I think many people were hoping Islands would be more than just retainer dispatch. Even though yoshi SAID not to hope for much, I'd rather them just...not have done it? Allocate these resources into making actual instanced housing. They both ran off the same servers anyways, because when it launched people couldn't enter their homes.

I did not like the barbariccia ex trial. I think it's poorly designed when you need to stack with somebody in the blue circle and there's a green puddle literally right where you need to be. I personally don't get who actually enjoys loading into an ex and is like"ah yes, its starting , better hit my 2minute skills every 2 minutes" it feels so linear. I think i'm burned out of everything in this game. Hate to see it, I may not come back till 7.0, if there isn't already better things to play by then. RIP my old flame

I agree with everything you wrote except the trial -- it's my favorite trial right now.

I'm jumping back to WoW for a while. I got into the Dragonflight Beta and I love the direction Blizzard is finally starting to move toward. Hoping for a WoW renaissance.

I keep an active sub to each game, and they're the only video games I ever play. $30/month for unlimited entertainment, totally worth it, especially in times like this where I am finding one more boring than the other.

[Raoabolic]

I agree with everything you wrote except the trial -- it's my favorite trial right now.

I'm jumping back to WoW for a while. I got into the Dragonflight Beta and I love the direction Blizzard is finally starting to move toward. Hoping for a WoW renaissance.

I keep an active sub to each game, and they're the only video games I ever play. $30/month for unlimited entertainment, totally worth it, especially in times like this where I am finding one more boring than the other.

In the back of my mind I have silly thoughts like WoW might pull a No Man's Sky and turn into gold but the reality hit me that NMS is more or less independently owned, WoW was bought by Microsoft. All I hope is that what is left of the WoW devs prove me wrong, lol.

[LittleImp]

Yoshida and our community agree that FFXIV is not a live-service product and should never be played as such.

What on earth are you even talking about? This game has been repeatedly billed as a live-service product, and is refenced as such repeatedly in interviews with Yoship lol. Stop trying to bend reality to justify your agenda.

[caffe_macchiato]

What on earth are you even talking about? This game has been repeatedly billed as a live-service product, and is refenced as such repeatedly in interviews with Yoship lol. Stop trying to bend reality to justify your agenda.

Then why are people telling us to unsubscribe? Why is the story “80% of the game content”? Combine the two together. A story has a beginning and an end. It is not a live service if a majority of players only play for a few hours once every four months. A live service is something you utilize during the full extent of your subscription. What we have is a hybrid approach, whereas SE charges us for a monthly live service but only gives us quarterly content drops in exchange. If we were charged for every 6.X patch, each patch would cost a whopping $52. That content does *not* last most players for a single month, let alone a full four-month cycle.

The only thing we *do* use continuously is the right to log on and play the content that we already purchased. Either the game isn’t really a live service type of deal or people are getting massively ripped off for the amount of money they pay.