Anyone else just feeling really disapointed this expansion?*vent*

[Atelier-Bagur]

I also feel a lot of people online hype this game too much. It was definitely big to do during the whole Blizzard scandal but it really bugged me somewhat how people oversell FFXIV for being this top MMO, with this "best JRPG story ever told" nonsense because it gets people to start putting such high expectations for a lot of the things. Like me, how I got caught thinking somehow HW and ShB we're going to be these amazing thought provoking epic stories when in reality they were just "fine for the course" imo.

It's clear that while the devs love their game and have a passion for it, with their model and design they don't believe FFXIV is warranted for such high praise with it's design. There's a lot of problems that takes a long time for them to implement and I feel their newfound spot in the limelight caught them off guard somewhat. At least I feel that's partially what's up.

[Deveryn]

In reality, the moment a positive thread appears, the community positivity brigade rushes in to spam it with "Uh oh, watch out OP, here come the negative people!", "bet this won't last lol <popcorn>", "Finally some positivity, everyone is so negative" and other passive aggressive digs at people who complain before a complaint is even posted, then the moment someone dares point out that negative feedback is fine too, they all gleefully jump on them and tear them to pieces and the thread gets derailed.

It's rather disturbing behavior really and suggests a far stronger need for irl help.

No, it actually doesn't. The reality of the situation is the world is a shitty place and people are trying to carve out the slightest bit of fun where they can get it. To go in there and try to shut that down is the worst kind of behaviour. I may not have the best approach to some of the topics that comes through, but I'm not going to shit on someone for legit enjoying the game and having fun in their own way. FFS, we have people in here still upset over a cat having a cheezburger. Of course, there's people like you, trying to judge someone's skill in the game without actually playing along side them. Miss me with that bullshit.

It is all about perspective and some of you are severely lacking in it.

[Atelier-Bagur]

No, it actually doesn't. The reality of the situation is the world is a shitty place and people are trying to carve out the slightest bit of fun where they can get it. To go in there and try to shut that down is the worst kind of behaviour. I may not have the best approach to some of the topics that comes through, but I'm not going to shit on someone for legit enjoying the game and having fun in their own way. FFS, we have people in here still upset over a cat having a cheezburger. Of course, there's people like you, trying to judge someone's skill in the game without actually playing along side them. Miss me with that bullshit.

It is all about perspective and some of you are severely lacking in it.

I also find its very easy and acceptable in this community space to be the critically cynical person rather than Johnny Goody Two Shoes with posting positive threads. Everything nowadays feels like anything people post is a personal attack of sorts to people.

I'm not exempt from this behavior lol, it's how I can even say that.

[Raoabolic]

*everyone going "muh cheezeburger"*

Do you even know why people complain about that? From what I remember, that was only a drop in the bucket of issues in EW but everyone latched on to it like CNN/AP was talking about it non stop, lmao. I can see why people would rather shut down discussion like that though, critical thinking tends to make these sort of issues stick out so why bother tackling it when you have a handy slogan to repeat ad nauseum. Why trouble yourself when you can just glaze your eyes over and forge ahead, lol.

[Boblawblah]

In reality, the moment a positive thread appears, the community positivity brigade rushes in to spam it with "Uh oh, watch out OP, here come the negative people!", "bet this won't last lol <popcorn>", "Finally some positivity, everyone is so negative" and other passive aggressive digs at people who complain before a complaint is even posted, then the moment someone dares point out that negative feedback is fine too, they all gleefully jump on them and tear them to pieces and the thread gets derailed.

It's rather disturbing behavior really and suggests a far stronger need for irl help.

Someone posting "uh oh, this is going to get negative quickly" on an online forum is not indicative of having mental issues in real life. Trying to frame anyone that posts something like that as having mental problems IS however indicative of bad faith, strawmanning, and gaslighting.

[Oizen]

We all need to put things into perspective: This is a nine-year old game. Even older if you count 1.0. No game lasts forever. Square Enix puts in the usual stuff, which is basically the same as the old stuff. It’s only one game, after all, you can’t expect it to change every two years. And that $40 per expac is really just charging for the story mode, they don’t really expect you to continue playing long after that.

Yoshida and our community agree that FFXIV is not a live-service product and should never be played as such. You pay for the content, you finish it, and then you leave. This isn’t like WoW or Guild Wars 2 or ESO. It’s sad that people got the wrong idea when buying this game, but it’s up to the customer to do proper research before buying. It’s like expecting FFXV to still have new content. XIV is just 15 minus 1, so what’s the difference?

As Yoshida says, just unsubscribe, that’s Square Enix’s position and there’s nothing we can do to change it. FFXIV will end up tanking in subscribers, and SE will likely be happy, as they never planned (or can afford) for this game to become so popular.

Think of FFXIV as a side project for SE; it’s not like Blizzard which has WoW as one of their main projects. Square Enix makes a ton of games and FFXIV is just a fraction of their total revenue. Moderate your expectations.

Not a live service product? Sure didn't stop them from regularly shoving everything under the sun into the mog station.

[Raoabolic]

Not a live service product? Sure didn't stop them from regularly shoving everything under the sun into the mog station.

It's optional glamours and mounts (and leveling services, but shhh!) so it's okay! What are you, poor? SE really needs that money after baby's fall shut down! Won't anyone think of the multibillion yen corporation?!

[ReynTime]

I agree for the most part, though I think there are a few people saying this because they want XIV to stop resting on its laurels and improve as a game, a new popular MMO competing for success would be reason enough for SE to do this- especially if Riot tries to one-up them by copying XIV. Do I think it will happen though? Probably not, there's been next to no news of this supposed Riot MMO and there's not even a guarantee it will ship.

It definitely will. It's been gradually teased by one of their writers. MMORPGs take a long time to get ready to launch however. Riot's MMO will probably not have a video teaser until 2024.

It could well bring competition against XIV. But in 2~3 years an unexpected new big MMO could come out of nowhere, as well. Truthfully no one except the people being asked to "quit" will see XIV's fall from the throne happening until it's too late. Most people don't notice those things right away.

[Raoabolic]

It definitely will. It's been gradually teased by one of their writers. MMORPGs take a long time to get ready to launch however. Riot's MMO will probably not have a video teaser until 2024.

It could well bring competition against XIV. But in 2~3 years an unexpected new big MMO could come out of nowhere, as well. Truthfully no one except the people being asked to "quit" will see XIV's fall from the throne happening until it's too late. Most people don't notice those things right away.

Tencent/Riot is making an MMO? Eh, I don't like the mogshop here so I doubt Tencent will be able to keep it in their pants. I would not be shocked if it was a Guild Wars/ESO sort of deal where they will just charge for everything once you buy the base game.

[Boblawblah]

Tencent/Riot is making an MMO? Eh, I don't like the mogshop here so I doubt Tencent will be able to keep it in their pants. I would not be shocked if it was a Guild Wars/ESO sort of deal where they will just charge for everything once you buy the base game.

They'll keep it in their pants unless Riot goes against the CCP, which won't happen.